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Our hands. john kelly offering his view. >> let me step back and tell you that the vast majority of the people that move illegally into the united states are not bad people. they are not criminals. they are also not people who would easily assim late into the united states. they are rural people and come from fourth, fifth, sixth grade educations are the norm. >> we have seen john kelly say things like this to lawmakers before. they weren't exactly surprising. he doesn't disagree with the president on this. immigration has reached a boiling point. >> if you want to have a conversation about ne...

People in the countries they come from, fourth, sixth fifth, sixth grade educations are the norm. they're coming here for a reason and i sympathize but the laws are the laws. >> we have two returning guests, we have the national political reporter for bloomberg and marah gaye, a member of the "new york times" editorial board. let's talk about kelly before we get to the subject matter. it's been pointed out on cable that all of the previous kellys came from an agrarian island with as much school learning as any of the folks who preceded us here. people who know kelly, know he's been a hard-line...

Military career is washed away. >> the day he lied about a congresswoman and what she said. >> attacked a congresswoman for her intelligence and proved to be lying about her when he called her a liar. >> maria, i want to play something else he said today in the npr interview, this time about immigration. >> let me step back and tell you the ma vast majority of the people that move illegally into the united states are not bad people, they're not criminal, they're not ms-13 but they are also not people that would easily assimilate into the united states, they're rural people in the countries the...

People. but they're also not people that would easily assimilate into the united states. they're overwhelmingly rural people. in the countries they come from, fourth, fifth, sixth grade educations are kind of the norm. >> so this isn't a new thought from john kelly, you know, back in february, "the washington post" reported that kelly said some immigrants eligible for daca who didn't apply for legal protection were either too afraid or, i'm quoting now, too lazy to get off their "a"s, does language like this overshadow the point he's trying to make? >> more to point, he was sold to this as thi...

Somewhat embarrassed, frankly, when world leaders come in. it's like, you walk in and the first couple minutes of every conversation might revolve around that kind of thing. >> in that same interview with npr, kelly, known as an immigration hard-liner, said most of the immigrants crossing into the u.s. are poorly educated. >> the vast majority of the people that move illegally into the united states are not bad people. but they are also not people that would easily assimilate into the united states. they are overwhelmingly rural people. in the countries they come from, fourth, fifth, sixth gra...