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Persuasive rather than polarising . Kwame kwei armah, welcome to hardtalk. Thank you so much for having me. It is a great pleasure to have you. Now, youve been in the Theatre Business as an actor, a writer and a director for the best part of three decades. Ijust used that phrase, some would call it a cliche, about the culture wars. Does it feel to you that today there is a somewhat toxic culture war . I think youve framed it beautifully. It is toxic, but most importantly, its disingenuous. In my humble opinion. Its used to kind of create political fear. And ourjob as artists is, i think, funda...

Ijust used that phrase, some would call it a cliche, about the culture wars. Does it feel to you that today there is a somewhat toxic culture war . I think youve framed it beautifully. It is toxic, but most importantly, its disingenuous. In my humble opinion. Its used to kind of create political fear. And ourjob as artists is, i think, fundamentally to take away that fear, to take away the binaries that i think this farce of the culture wars are. You know, i often hear politicians and im not one to diss politicians, but i also often hear politicians use race or class or immigration or use hist...

But it has to be fair and almost democratic. kwame, you call yourself... i know. ..and of course you are kwame. but you were, as a kid, raised as ian — ian roberts — in west london, in southall — a racially, ethnically very mixed part of london, which at the time, in the �*70s and �*80s, was the scene of racist violence... yes. ..of real racial tension. to what extent has that shaped you? very much so. it hasn't defined me, i hope, but it has shaped me. i remember my father taking me to the top of our street at the time — i think it was in 1979 — and a pub called the hamborough t...

Hamborough tavern was aflame. and it was because the skinheads, or a skinhead group, had performed and then they had attacked the black and brown people close to it. and as my father took me to the top of the street and as i saw the pub burning — and i would have been about 12 — he said, "this is your country, remember that." and i watched the police chase us down the street that i lived. and i saw skinheads armed with truncheons and shields. i didn't read this — i saw this. that completely and utterly shaped the way that i saw the world. you said earlier that when you are frightened, yo...

Out to us on social media, don't name these people, don't give them the platform they want. we're doing it for a reason, we are telling you. you need to know, they are out there. they are there in big numbers and you need to know how to think about it. >> they are on the lookout. when you see centers on twitter and seems like no big deal, a name that seems like nothing, it's something. we want you to know what they represent. we're joined by outreach director for southern poverty law center and a former skinhead recruiter and former member of a skinhead group. he co-founded life after hate, a ...