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Didn't matter back in 2016. i would actually argue that they did because if you look among the republicans who believe those allegations, believe they were mostly true, yes, trump won them, but won them by a significantly smaller margin than the ones who believed they're mostly false. there was a 72-point gap difference between them. so, yeah, there were republicans who were willing to basically dismiss the allegations. but a lot of who believed them actually voted for hillary clinton. >> that's an election. so i just emphasized why these numbers can be so important. you don't have to change i...

Disqualify the attorney for several of the alternate electors, and today's news sort of obscures what is an important issue in the case, which is she's facing a very important deadline next week to respond to the petition that trump's lawyers filed to quash the reporter investigating -- or the grand jury that gave the findings, and to remove her and the judge from the case. so, i think there's a lot to play out. i don't see this happening before september. and as you and i have discussed, i don't see the justice department letting her proceed on the political front in advance of whatever they'...

Background noise. i don't think that is going to sway a lot of jurors, and attacking her i think is probably -- you know, it may be the only strategy they have. but i'm not sure it's going to be an effective strategy. i will say on appeal, this is a difficult case. >> all right. and again, i know the timing on all this and how it goes out, it's not like we're going to know tomorrow. but i just think it's significant, ty, that you're saying this could be something that ends up mattering, and it wasn't something that had really been on the radar in that way like georgia, like the doj. so, let me...

We do see some signs of life in the manhattan district attorney's office. i've always been saying that's the sleeper case to keep your eye on, particularly because the state cases can stick, no matter who is president after joe biden, if it were to be a republican, there is no ability to go for a state case. keeping your eye on georgia and manhattan is really key. as you noted, this hush money going for part of the guilty plea, michael cohen at the federal level. it's clearly something that their crack team is focusing on. we might see charges there as well. >> let's talk about the case that a...

Committee and the house seeking the tax returns from president trump, now ex-president trump, in multiple ways and ended up in court over the past several years. there's one particular case, this case from the house ways and means committee where it was a bit of a sleeper case, it was one we are weren't really waiting that close attention to, it was especially on hold for the last two years bus the trump administration said we would like the tax returns from the irs, from the treasury department directly under a specific code statute that believed they could get them. the trump administration ...