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Really don't. but here's the thing. whale that is the vision at the top,t for the american politic right in the trump era, that's what they want for their national leader.or that's what they want the americanth presidency to become. it is also their broader project for what they think of governance. if you go down a step or two from theirp strong man vision r the guy at the very top. they're also getting very big ideas about what to do with their power in the states right now. this is not something theygh ne a project 2025 for. this is not something they have to wait and hope to have another r...

Joe: the conservative tenet of free-market turns into globalism, the populism idea of america first, two groups though agree on a lot of things start to disagree and we see where does this best serve our political ideology. for america, security should be at the top. rachel: the other person buying farmland is bill gates who doesn't want you to eat meat and we saw the fda approved the first lab created meat where they take cells from chickens and create lab created meat, that has just been approved. we have a problem in america with our food. it is obvious we have a food problem. i think it's ...

Actually make us very sick and then having a pharmaceutical solution. you know, we're getting sicker, you know, more depressed, more infertile as i talked about, and of course there's a pharmaceutical solution for all those conditions. so this is known, there's power in keeping people in fear, there's power in keeping people -- you've said this, this is a sleeper issue this election. we've seen on both sides of the aisle presidential candidates talking about this issue, and i think americans are waking up, but the answer is not lab grown meat funded by gil gate -- bill gates and autocratic reg...

>> that was the other sleeper issue in the last election. you know, some people said, yes, abortion could be important. i don't think a lot of cynics, there were any cynics that saw democracy as being really front most in people's minds, but it was. i hope it still is. i mean, it is striking to me, what one person can do. donald trump was able to do. obviously, there were forces building up in the republican party. the party was changing. there's a sense in which trump was a symptom and not a cause of the disease, but he was the vector. he was the person who allowed all these anti-democratic f...

And not learning. i mean, it's drips and drips here. obviously we haven't seen the memo ourselves. >> brit: no, we haven't. and i don't know if we ever will. at least in any near term. but i do think this, bret. this idea of biden as a crook, as a guy who might have accepted bribes is a kind of a sleeper issue for this campaign. biden lived in delaware and elsewhere, at least in two places in delaware, i should say, very well for a man living on a government salary as a senator all those years and then vice president. and there's a lot of people curious about how he seemed to get so rich. we d...