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>> right. >> it seems odd to invoke national, to carol's point. let me say why i think it's okay. it's okay for attorneys to enter into a joint agreement. if we're all under investigation, we ban together and exchange information, perfectly okay. the law recognizes that, prosecutors are okay with it, defense attorneys are okay. however, say someone leaves that joint agreement, then you give notice to the people in that agreement and you cut off communications. so dowd, knowing that flynn is about to cut a deal with the government, he references it in the voicemail, he suspects something is up ...

He could lie about things that don't matter and that's not going to get trump prosecuted for perjury. >> because it's not a material -- >> exactly. it needs to be material. so dowd, by saying that, by saying you're going to end up in an orange jump suit or some version of that, he's saying trump is going to lie about things that have a real impact on the investigation. and what that tells me is that he thinks trump knows things that would have an effect on the investigation. so this whole claim of trump knows nothing about collusion, no conversations with russians, that just doesn't ring true ...

That seems to be -- >> he's in there with phone calls to his client telling bob woodward the words in quotation marks that were said on phone calls. >> there's no question. he should not be doing that. it's a violation of the attorney/client privilege and a number of ethical rules. i don't know if he just doesn't care or it seems like what dowd wants to do is sort of get his story out there about why it is that he left the team. it wasn't because, you know, as you said, he thinks he's guilty of collusion, but because he thinks trump can't tell the truth. and i think the important thing about t...

Jeffrey, let me go to you. one of these scenes in this book according to what jamie has is, you know, there's this john dowd is convinced that trump is going to perjure himself if he testifies in front of the special counsel bob mueller. he does this mock interview with the president which according to woodward the president fails this. still, though, the president wants to testify and at some point he says, what, do you think i was struggling? he was because he failed the test. so dowd and jay secolo go over to bob mueller with the goal to communicate to the special counsel that there is no w...

My most striking one is the example that you used -- >> the great cohen moment, the swiping of the memo. >> the swiping and the -- >> back and forth with dowd and secolo. >> then when they take it to mueller essentially saying he is a liar, we can't bring him to you mueller then says i need the president's testimony. what was his intent on comey? i want to see if there was corrupt intent. what does that tell you about the special counsel? is that obstruction? >> well, it tells you what he is looking at for sure but it also tells you he can't really finish his look unless he does probe a little...