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hutchinson testifying that lead white house counsel pat cipollone warned of legal exposure if trump followed his supporters to the capitol. >> we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we let mat move happen. >> do you remember what crimes mr. scipollone was concerned about? >> we had conversations about potentially ubstrucking justice or defrauding the electoral count. >> hutchinson relaying a second hand account about a defiant trump who wanted to go to the capitol anyway, allegedly even attacking the leader of his secret service detail while in the presidential mot...

Point, Michael Cohen had a light bulb go off, and in recent times, tried to behave a little bit better and maybe thats whats reflected in the kinder document thats been filed by the Special Counsel. All right. Thanks so much. Our cnn coverage continues right now. This is cnn breaking news. Im wolf blitzer. We welcome our viewers in the United States and around the world. Were following breaking news. We have just received two major filings involving the former trump lawyer, Michael Cohen. One from the Special Counsel, Robert Mueller, and another from federal prosecutors in new york. And were a...

>> so preet, what sort of crime would the justice department charge for this scheme? what law is broken by submitting fake documents to the national archives? >> there could be several. there could be conspiracy against the united states. there are particular laws that relate to elections. sometimes they're not as robust in the federal system as they are in various state systems. but i think they have a number of things that they can be looking at. >> what does that carry? do you know? as you say, conspiracy against the united states, it seems serious. i don't know what -- >> well, it depends ...

Wouldn't be telling us that. but then some things come to their attention because of referrals, from a judge, from congress, some other source. and it looks like they're doing the appropriate and proper thing. the things that are being talked about did not occur just in one state but in multiple states and go to the core of this whole big lie and efforts to overturn the election. so i do have confidence that they're looking at it. i do have confidence also that if there's something to be done they'll do it. and that was punctuated by the speech merrick garland made a couple of weeks ago that l...

That we have been talking about for many months now. and the sentencing guidelines are zero to six months. so on the one hand, it seems like the mueller team was sort of happier with how michael cohen interacted with them. on the other hand, the mitigation that michael cohen was trying to engage in with respect to a sentence is not as -- is not as needed, because the seriousness of the crime to which he pled guilty on the mueller side is just not as significant. he wasn't going to get much jail time, if any, even without cooperation on the mueller side. >> so preet, when mueller says in his co...