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>> we'll keep a close eye on that. judge, thanks good to see you, judge michael luttig. that is all in on this thursday night. alex wagner tonight, nning, right now. good evening alex. >> thanks alex, great guest to have on at this juncture, at this critical moment for democracy. great show. >> thank you. >> thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. his name is alexander butterfield. he was the deputy assistant to president richard nixon, and as the surprise witness during the watergate hearings in 1973, he changed the course of history with this moment. >> mr. butterfield, are...

We have seen some of those, publicly, where she was urging him in very religious, biblical forever, you need to stop this evil from taking place, the stolen election. so, i think you want to ask her about that. she says that she, she and her husband, operating the spheres, they have their own careers, and do their own things, but i must wonder, whether she gets an audience with the chief of staff of the president, if she is not married to a supreme court justice? there's even a message where she makes reference to discussing the matter with a friend, which some have suggested is coded language...

Be indicted. what do you make of that? >> well, i was listening, and i thought that was very interesting. it does fit with what you hear in the rumor mill. the congressman kind of takes it up above that and makes it something worth exploring. here's the bottom line. you have a network of people who it appears had both political motivations and in some cases a lot of financial motivations to be very interested in relations with the russians as well as the 2016 campaign. when you get to those intersections, i think there's a real chance that there will be more people who are indicted and potenti...

Force, these work in very densely populated areas. and we need to make sure that we're being pro active. this is something we can't do overnight, we have to have community support and like you said, we would even be very mindful of infringing on people's civil liberties, but i think it's going to be something worth exploring, it's going to be another tool for our officers to put in the tool belt, so to speak, anything that increases or enhances public safety we need to look at. but it is a very string negligent code from what i have been reading and gang members seem to comply and it does redu...