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Political speech to 30,000 boy scouts might have been its own kind of low point for speech making and discourse. >> well, what hess tas to mark a low point given the passage of time. i guess for the next hour or so because he may be in bed. but it's as daniel patrick moynihan another great senator since we're talking about great senators tonight, once said it defines deviancy down. donald trump is defining the presidency down. i think one of the things that i found so fascinating about senator mccain's speech today which i think should be taught in schools actually, is he talked about the most...

The press secretary. what scaramucci is doing as communications director, this is his job, he's trying to figure out how to get the president's message out whatever way he can. not only through press conferences and news releases and press briefings, but directly to the country through social media, through friendly outlets, through speech-making, through appearances. that's what the communications director does. so the only concern here is if mr. scaramucci is also going to be at the podium, as you see there, more often. then the role is different, and it's not about unfiltered, it's about, y...

This. you are going to shake loose the leak tree. and this is whether james comey wants this kind of stuff leak order not, people who feel strongly about this are going to make these kinds of things known. >> yeah. you don't -- there is a reason when people have incriminating stuff on you, those interest people you avoid firing. those are the people you keep close. those are the people you bribe and don't threaten because you don't want the make enemies of people who are in a position to out you. for stuff that they've got dead to rights. and we don't know if that's the situation here, but tha...

>> you say that because you're part of the liberal media? >> he was pretty funny, i think bush could be pretty funny, too. >> obama definitely the funniest president that i have ever seen. he often outdid the comedian when is he was up there which was an impressive feat, they also made the president follow the comedians every single time which i think was crazy. the energy in the room goes off, and it didn't work out as well for some people. >> and you raise the point of protocol, seth, in stand-up comedy, the big dog goes last, right? it's called opener for a reason. and in presidential speec...

Potential conflicts of interests here. would someone like giuliani who's been a mayor, had a failed presidential campaign, he went on to clearly work as a consultant. perhaps never imagining he'd be a nevertheless, these are the details. or we at least are learning some deit a also of what he has been doing since he decided he would run for president. >> and, yes, it really even predates that. really from the moment he left the mayor's office. which you'll recall, he did with this enormous public acclaim. he's very aggressively parlayed that celebrity into this big security consulting and spee...