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All the stuff about procedure, i want to sort of center things a little bit. the problem for president joe biden and democrats here is pretty clear. with the narrows possibly majority in the senate, they need all 50 democratic senate doctors to agree. again unanimously on legislation. and to democrats have emerged in the face of opposition in the party's agenda, there is west virginia joe manchin and arizona sinema. say what you will about senator manchin but he represents the state dold trump won by nearly 40 points in 2020. and he also has explicitly articulated the basis of his opposition t...

Okay we, will dress it ourselves. and republicans block that to. so it's extremely irresponsible with the republican party is doing. and it is threatening not just to the u.s. economy but the global economy. >> was -- what is the current republican demand? or is there a republican demand for increasing the debt limit? >> no. you would think that maybe they are sayi, oh, can you guys do something to address the bt? can you change something on the spending side? no, there is no demand. it's just, do it by yourself, but do it in a certain way. like i said, it is not based, as far as i can tell, o...

>> no. you would think that maybe they're saying, okay, maybe can you guys do something to address e debt? can you change something on the spending side? no. there is no dend. it is just do it by yourself, but do it in a particular way. and like i said, it is not based, as far as i can tell, on a policy concern. it is purely about making things as difficult as possible for the democratic party and pushing the united states to the brink of a devastating defaul and remember secretary yellen ted this as well. even if we get close to the default, to a default, close to that october 18th date, it d...

Seems to be the pressure that mitch mcconnell is putting on democrats, if you're doing this other stuff on your own, you're on your own raising the debt ceiling. what do you think of that approach? >> i think that's something, neil, you know, there's always been bipartisan support on, you know, paying our bills, maintaining the full faith and credit of the united states. the debate should be on the spending side. once the expenditures are made we clearly have to pay our bills just like any american family does that the expenditures that they make. i don't think that should be the debate. i wou...

Some really tough situations there. so i think when we look back on this month and you never want to sort of prejudge history before it happens, this is such a crucial month. so many things have happened. and we're focused on the tax side, the spending side, there is an immigration component. we have this diplomatic spat with france now over the submarines for australia. there is a lot going on and the white house obviously is trying to stay on top of it all. there are many different moving parts now and the white house doesn't control all of them. jonathan? >> hans nichols, you're most comfor...