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Does. they had this trigger in here, they're staying in year 2025 when all these great tax cuts that middle class is getting goes away, that that future congress and president is going to -- no we're going to make it permanent. well, that's going to add further money to the nation's debt. >> billy bob thornton is in the white house, bad santa has taken over. >> i was going to say, remember you were asking about don't republicans care about deficit? this goes back over 30 years, the idea of the two santa clauss. democrats were the santa claus for spending. giving out goodies to their constituen...

Getting a little closer. it looks like we are going to have the votes in the house and senate before the end of the week to keep christmas open. there will be another stopgap measure to take us into january and that will be where the real battle takes place in terms of what is going to happen on the spending side for the balance of fiscal year 18. >> jon: what about those two issues, tax reform and potential government shutdown? joining me now lis smith and steve cortez, fox news contributors. lis, it's the democrats that seem bent, i guess, on a possible shutdown of the government. didn't exa...

Have no choice. and this has been obvious for a long time. this is just part one of a two-step process. and i think they're kind of foolish to be giving away the game before this thing is locked up. but i'm glad to hear them saying these things. but i knew it was coming. >> that's a great point that bruce is making. the deficits are the point. because what the deficits do is if you cut taxes like george w. bush did twice in his first term, like they're doing now, you then create a pressure you can use against a possible democratic successor if they want to do anything on the spending side. >> ...

>> i don't think they've really been very secretive about this. i've been writing about it for weeks. all republicans believe in something called starve the beast. they want to slash what are called entitlement programs which i are mostly social security and medicare, and they don't think they can get the political support to do it unless they have a deficit. >> right. >> that is so large that they have no choice. and this has been obvious for a long time. this is just part one of a two-step process. and i think they're kind of foolish to be giving away the game before this thing is locked up....

Republican side in the wake of that tweet everybody was trying to figure out what he was doing, if this was a negotiating ploy here, what he was trying to do in terms of setting the tone for the meeting. you got the democratic response, it's clear, they want to negotiate whatever the deal is on government spending and on any of the other side issues out there right now, one to one with their gop counterparts on capitol hill. here's the problem with that. as it's been kind of told to me by several republicans in the senate and house, they need the president's sign off to move something forward ...