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Putin will be going into this meeting really trying to work out where he can press, where he can -- try and get a sense of trump, you know, in person. how intelligent is he really? how stable is he really? how -- >> how stable he is? >> liable to fight back? this is how putin will approach any leader or world politician from the smallest russian provipial official to the leader of china or germany. it's nothing particular about trump. >> so when we look at trump, michael, where are his strengths and potential vulnerabilities? >> i think ben raised one of them. it's flattery. putin isn't just a...

Been there, the national security council, the intelligence community, those who are there to brief him. i remember very well when i was at the white house, we used to do the same thing. we used to research in depth before these official meetings. they would take -- it was binders and binders of papers that our leaders and officials would read and a lot of prep would go into it. >> we know the president doesn't do that. he's been given stacks of papers and he says i want a page of bullet points. can you go into a meeting are with vladimir putin as michael rightly points out, kgb spy master, on...

They have to be ready to got a moment's notice. >> truly terrifying times and we're going to get into all of this. we're going to stay on this. andrea mitchell and hans have to go, but jeremy and eli are sticking around. when we come back, two men obsessed with their own press and all that winning but only one is a former kgb spy master and prides himself on one upping every adversary. could donald trump help to make putin great again? and the man lampooned on "snl" may be one of the senior staffers smiling inside a west wing under siege. what his political strength tells about how far presi...

Election. another topic that president trump has had a lot of difficulty dealing with here in the united states, and probably will be the same there in hamburg. >> john: vladimir putin is a longtime spy for the kgb, a spy master, recruited other spies. he knows how to shmoose people, how who get what he wants, and flattery goes a long way sometimes with president trump. is it possible that vladimir putin can schmooze trump to get what he wants from him or is the president going to stand tough? >> well, he's certainly going to try, you're right. i mean, vladimir putin is a master at state craft...

Officer talks to different people and does it under different circumstances. i don't think he was actually a formal spy master as sometimes he has been described. but he certainly was on the ground and his job was to collect information for vladimir putin, or one of his jobs was. >> steve, do you see his recall as just routine? >> i never take what the russian ministry of foreign affairs says on its face. it's difficult for me to imagine how he has been treated. he must be somewhat radioactive these days in washington. didn't play a role. that said, jill's right, he's been in washington for a ...