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Of breaching the debt ceiling by august 17th, i think the resolution of the two are getting tied to each other because just because of the deadlines and ultimately, you know, that might be something that Speaker Boehner has to decide for himself, does he push forward a clean debt ceiling increase and a continuing clean resolution in order to get it passed to prevent the catastrophe from happening. Likely losing or most certainly losing the speakership as a consequence. 75billion even with sequestration, theres 75 billion more down we can go to get to where the historic bottom cycle is over the...

Us have come to this area because we can walk to this area and there are business and is ago lighting designer in the area that we are working with right now on a lighting project. So there is a few other things that we have written down that i just wanted to point out there is about 60 Design Professionals in the western sonoma area and about 40 within the valley area and so we would like to stay, continue and continue to grow our businesses there. Good afternoon commissioners my name is Jeffery Miller with Miller Company architect i want to follow up on the previous speaker i have a business...

Ginsburg, why would we bother to go there . I think that the. If we are not going to do anything to him and not having any finding of willfulness, why would we need to get into a big discussion about that . Well, i mean, i think that the preliminary question before the commission is whether he personally engaged in a violation of the ordinance, willful or nonwillful and so i think that that is something, that is a question that is squarely before the commission. Do we have to answer that . I mean, that is not preliminarily to a conclusion as to whether or not the ordinance was violated . And a...

Other than general manager ginsburg that is beyond the scope of what tonight is for. I have a question for mr. Pilpal. And i agree with mr. White on that last point. You said that it was your view of the task force that there was a problem with naming mr. Ginsbuger and could you elaborate on your rationale for that . First the initial underlying complaint was against miss gong and she is the person that appeared at the various hearings and after the order was made and came back to the full task force, and we heard it at one meeting and continued it, and i suggested in there was in order, in th...

Find a nonwillful violation or a willful violation but i dont think that tonight, you can find a nonwillful violation by someone else in the rec and Park Department. Base ed on the chapter three, we could find the nonwillful violation of mr. Ginsburg. Right. Under three, the votes of at least three commissioners are required to make a finding that they have created a willful violation or a nonwillful violation. But i think that if you are going to talk about someone other than general manager ginsburg that is beyond the scope of what tonight is for. I have a question for mr. Pilpal. And i agre...