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Interest. i just believe that a judge is going to take a close look and it's going to be examined closely by a judge in terms of what role mark meadows was playing there, was there any tuck to governmental interest in that discussion in terms of the service that he was providing to the president. i think it's a tough case, but the standard is so low that i think we can't be assured that a judge isn't going to go the other way on this thing. >> and let me ask you, you worked for donald trump and you worked in this white house. do you think there's any chance whatsoever that he would accept a pl...

Think we can't be assured that a judge isn't going to go the other way on this thing. >> and let me ask you this. you worked for donald trump. you worked in his white house. do you think that there's any chance whatsoever that he would accept a plea agreement if it means keeping him out of jail? i mean as much as he is trying to make a mint off of his mug shot, i can't imagine he wants to spend any time in the slammer. >> look, this state case is probably going to get heard two years down the road. i know what the trial date is, but state cases tend to drag on. there's going to be a lot of mot...

Less than 250 days. two state cases, two cases brought by special counsel, if this is once every millenium occurrence or is the new norm? some on the right believe this is election interference, relentless pursuit of the former president. those on the left believe it is just dessert of a plot to use power of presidency to pressure others for personal gain. a recent poll asked americans if they believe former president trump committed crimes. this poll, like everything else in life, was broken down by political, affiliation, fascinating and disquieting. not a single witness has been

Ringleader of republican election subversion efforts, and donald trump is one of those leaders is no doubt. but rudy giuliani and sidney powell, certainly were public faces of these efforts as well. but there is one man that has flown under the radar in both the federal, and state cases. and that is, until now, mark meadows, donald trump's former white house chief of staff. >> it's fair to say that you know, mark was a ringleader of much of the events that happened around january 6th, he was somebody who was the president sought q fought fine additional attorneys, who gave advice different in ...

Breathe. >> i think it was a good call. it allowed for a lot of substance. and a lot of yelling and one-liners that you see in any debate, dominating this thing. for a few minutes, he did and that it was moving on to something else. also, not applying to state cases. it is an admission of guilt. i don't know if the foreign president would want to do that. you can understand why television is drawn to ramaswamy he is funny. he talks very fast. even faster than i do. but i am reminded of other people who sort of shot to the top of the polls when they were brought in. a surgeon from baltimore or