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They waited pretty late before they said we don't want -- even though we believe in states' rights we don't want to run the program. 30 states said, okay, washington, you do it. nobody thought it would be that impassive that they would throw to washington to do it all. a friend of mine is an expert of these programs. >> you need state cooperation. remember, state insurance commissioners have to approve what's going to be listed in a state in terms of insurance. they have to intersect with the system. so it's more than just passive. they're actively out there trying to thwart it. but i do think...

Conservative red states where they waited pretty late before they said we don't want -- even though we believe in states' rights we don't want to run the program. 30 states said, okay, washington, you do it. nobody thought it would be that impassive that they would throw to washington to do it all. a friend of mine is an expert of these programs. >> you need state cooperation. remember, state insurance commissioners have to approve what's going to be listed in a state in terms of insurance. they have to intersecretary with the system. so it's more than just passive. they're actively out there ...

Unemployment compensation. i owe the federal government that money. so i cut some of the benefits and also raised some of the fees on businesses because they were only paying off the interest. i believe government, whether at the city, state or federal level, has to pay off the credit card, because one thing i learned in my own family, if the credit card keeps compounding, you're just digging yourself in a hole. >> let me ask you about medicaid, obviously the president's healthcare law, a big part has to do with two aspects that they need state cooperation for. one is the idea of expanding med...

Despite president obama's reelection, some say obama care is not a sure thing. the administration is depending heavily on the states to implement the new health care law. come january, republicans will hold 30 governorships, so what if the states just say no? what does it mean for the future of obama care? joining us is our political panel. >> i was in las vegas for the governors conference last week. it's as if a light bulb went off this their head. there's 30 of us. the majority of the states. obama care depends on the states to set up exchanges, but it also depends on the expansion of medic...

Barbour did go through the crucible of katrina and bonded with his state and recognized the importance of federal and state cooperation. on the other hand, the notion that haley barbour's big giant brand not having to think about politics, i'm a little skeptical of. >> more than a little. >> he's one of the most political people in the country. i say that in a neutral or admiring way. we're a week away from the election and it all has implications. you can't ignore that. >> it definitely does. sorry, willie. i'm not going to make a fake media fight here or whatever. but all you have to do is l...