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I think the salient points made by our memo still exist and they are still true. A little bit of it is creating so much dust and clout that people just give up and saying, you are saying that, i am just going to tune out. That may be part of it too. Martha it seems like one of the Big Bones Of Contention would be whether or not it was essential to the fisa surveillance. You have argued that it was essential, that without it, they would have not received the authorization for the warrant from the fisa court. Do they have you said that there is other information about carter page. You said they ...

We welcome him now. thank you for joining us. appreciate it. we'll get to volker in a second. the idea of the state of play between the united states president and the ukraine president, all right, you understand this dynamic much better than we ever will so thank you for the help in advance. the idea of that request being made along the lines of, well, we're just trying to deal with corruption there, does that make sense to you? >> no. i mean, it would be the first time that we know of that president trump has raised corruption with any other leader. i mean, it's never something he's been int...

There is a state component -- state department component to this. it needs to be investigated. i don't view the investigation turns terms of stages. it is one investigation pursuit of all relevant facts leading towards the truth. i am troubled by what i read in the documents with respect to the role the state department played in the fall of 2016, including information that was used in a court proceeding. >> martha: so weeks before the election, somebody in the obama state department was feeding information from a foreign source to christopher steele. >> when you hear who the source or one of ...

And knives. i think what we need to look at here is where these individuals on law enforcement's radar screen, do they have ties to a more active cell in the area and are there other components to this? unfortunately we don't have any evidence of that yet but those of the questions law enforcement need to focus on in the initial stages, as well as apprehending these people so they can hopefully get more information. >> shepard: thanks so much. the state department now with new information. >> the secretary of state wanted to make remarks on this issue, what has been going on in barcelona. he i...