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There, but then i wouldn't get to your book. you write in this book about the back-sliding of the american democracy, gerrymandering, voters suppression, legislative hardball. what can be done? >> i think the biggest thing -- this is something small-d democrats should support as well. people who aren't necessarily aligned with the democratic party. democrats should win elections on the state levels. what they can do is win a burch of governorships in some of these big states, in many of them governors can veto these terrible partisan gerrymandered maps and force a better, fair irmap. i would s...

Kanye and sat down at that meeting, i would have asked president trump would you he's doubling down and helping for-profit prison lock up more people. instead of having real criminal justice reform, i'm afraid it's going to continually get worse unless we're willing to address it at the state levels. >> you have made the connection as well to immigration. >> absolutely. >> now that we're incarcerating even little kids, private prison industry makes moan on that. >> you look at core civic, one of the groups that the state of ohio through the pension system, is investing in, they are locking up ...

Here's the thing. it's got to come from national leadership. local leadership. at the city and state levels. it can be boiled down to one word. when there is contact with the police, compliance is the order of the day. you don't try to fight and lit gate the issue in the street. you roll with it get to see a judge later. but compliance ensures we all go home safely at the end of the day. todd: ken crane thanks for getting up with us early there in arizona. we appreciate your time. >> thanks. i appreciate it. todd: former cia director john brennan not happy he doesn't have a security clearance ...

Rob: millions of americans no longer dependent on food stamps. tracee carrasco with the numbers. tracee: 2.8 million people have dropped off of food stamps, this is, of course, part of continuing downward trend that we are seeing but also as the trump administration attempted to reform the program both at federal and state levels, we can point to improving economy as of reason why we are seeing these numbers go down. rob: okay. here is the question is nutela better than chocolate? tracee: well, the ferrero company -- jillian: i really had to think about it. tracee: ferrero company, they are lo...

Question will get to the supreme court. do these restrictions significantly impede the opportunity of a woman to have an abortion? the supreme court might have said that kennedy supreme court no, the brett kavanaugh supreme court might say no. so they will permit more state interferences. if >> marie: i don't want roe vs. wade to be repealed in its entirety either but i think the more concerning judicial question might be whether there's just so many restrictions and state levels that are now upheld by the supreme court unlike the casey decision where abortion effectively and 25 or 30 sites ac...