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liable for everything he did while he was in office. didn t get away with anything yet. we have a criminal justice system in this country. we have civil litigation. and former presidents are not immune from being accountable by either one. even mitch mcconnell knew back in 2021 that trump can face criminal charges. well, now, trump s lawyer is making the absurd argument that a president can commit all kinds of heinous crimes and remain immune from prosecution forever. unless he s impeached and convicted. also tonight, trump s rhetoric is having dangerous consequences. as both special counsel jack smith and judge tanya chutkan are targets of swatting. and trump s big hope for 2024, he says he hopes the u.s. economy crashes some time soon. which of course, would leave huge numbers of his maga supporters jobless and broke. but we begin tonight with a hypothetical question. could a sitting president sell pardons or military secrets or order the navy seals to assassi ....
The three judges on the d.c. circuit court. trump s lawyer, john sauer, said a president could take a page from vladimir putin s playbook by using the u.s. military like a squad of hitmen, and face no repercussions. sauer claims anything short of upholding such an absolute immunity for a president would open a pandora s box of consequences from which this nation might never recover. understandably, attorney james pierce, the lawyer representing jack smith s office in the case, was taken aback by the exchange. what kind of world are we living in if, as i understood my friend on the other side to say here, a president orders his seal team to assassinate a political rival and resigns, for example, before an impeachment, not a criminal act. president sells a pardon, resigns or is not impeached, not a crime. ....
Afterwards. and within a couple weeks after richard nixon resigned he was pardoned by gerald ford. i don t need that pardon, i have immunity. that didn t happen. otherwise, he would have been prosecuted just like donald trump is being prosecuted. paul, mary, nick, thank you all three very much. coming up, as tempting as it is to ignore trump s inflammatory rhetoric, his words are having real world consequences. moroon that next. that next ....
To engage in national security and foreign affairs under the constitution. but that is not leeway to commit crimes such as abusing and misusing the military for political purposes or to commit murder. and i think the nixon cases that were cited show also the important distinction between civil cases for money damages like the nixon versus fitzgerald case, and criminal cases like the case that the special counsel back then was investigating and prosecuting against the watergate burglars. the court made clear that there is a need for a president when in office to be able to make decisions without constantly worrying about being sued civilly for money damages. and that s why in nixon versus fitzgerald the court held that in view of the special nature of the president s duties it s appropriate to recognize absolute immunity for acts that the president engages in within ....
Kicked back to judge tanya chutkan. they could rule against trump s claims of immunity, which would again bring the case back to judge chutkan. trump would then likely ask the full d.c. circuit court to hear the appeal or appeal the decision directly to the supreme court. but in either case, neither court has to agree to take it up. finally, the three-judge panel could rule in favor of trump, which would likely cause jack smith to file his own challenge to the supreme court. joining me to unpack all of this is congressman jamie raskin of maryland, a former member of the january 6th select committee. and a constitutional law expert, luckily for us. thank you for being here. i just want to remind allow our audience to know more about john sauer. he s a lawyer based in st. louis. he once served as a solicitor general for that state. he joined trump s legal team recently and as mississippi s solicitor general, he took part in a last ditch effort to keep trump in power by adding himself o ....