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liable for everything he did while he was in office. didn't get away with anything yet. we have a criminal justice system in this country. we have civil litigation. and former presidents are not immune from being accountable by either one. >> even mitch mcconnell knew back in 2021 that trump can face criminal charges. well, now, trump's lawyer is making the absurd argument that a president can commit all kinds of heinous crimes and remain immune from prosecution forever. unless he's impeached and convicted. also tonight, trump's rhetoric is having dangerous consequences. as both sp...

Afterwards. and within a couple weeks after richard nixon resigned he was pardoned by gerald ford. i don't need that pardon, i have immunity. that didn't happen. >> otherwise, he would have been prosecuted just like donald trump is being prosecuted. paul, mary, nick, thank you all three very much. coming up, as tempting as it is to ignore trump's inflammatory rhetoric, his words are having real world consequences. moroon that next. that next

To engage in national security and foreign affairs under the constitution. but that is not leeway to commit crimes such as abusing and misusing the military for political purposes or to commit murder. and i think the nixon cases that were cited show also the important distinction between civil cases for money damages like the nixon versus fitzgerald case, and criminal cases like the case that the special counsel back then was investigating and prosecuting against the watergate burglars. the court made clear that there is a need for a president when in office to be able to make decisions withou...

1974 supreme court decision that forced the president to comply with a criminal subpoena for his white house tapes in the watergate scandal. joining me now is paul butler, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. mary mccord, former acting assistant attorney general for national security, and cohost of the prosecuting donald trump podcast, and nick ackerman, former watergate assistant special prosecutor. and nick, i'm going to start with you since we did make a nixon reference. what did you make of the dual uses of richard nixon's former cases by the counsel for jack smith's office a...

Fitzgerald. that immunity sets the official above the law as, quote, rhetorically chilling but wholly unjustified. >> in today's hearing, donald trump's legal team made several references to another former president, richard nixon. specifically a 1982 supreme court case, where nixon was personally sued by a defense department whistleblower who claimed he was wrongfully terminated. the court ruled in nixon's favor, stating a former president is immune from lawsuits in civil cases, and that such immunity extends to all acts within the outer perimeter of his duties of office. the ruling did not, ...