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He has such a small group of people around him. but was the analysis on the intelligence provided done wrong? potentially and it could have been impacted, to be frank, on the disastrous departure from afghanistan. >> you think so? >> absolutely. so the intelligence community collects information to inform policymakers. policymakers make decisions in assessment of that information. i'm getting in the weeds a little bit here, but it's important because as a former intelligence officer, i spent almost a decade recruiting spies and stealing secrets. i think it's important to be precise on what we'...

Forward. they have a huge demand to steal our secrets and replicate them. they have a whole infrastructure that does this. this is not about, you know, causing harm. it really is about stealing our secrets. and one of the most fascinating examples is you can actually look at the chinese military and they have almost a carbon copy of the american black hawk helicopter that they have developed an indigenous version of this. that's how good they are at stealing secrets, copying them, manufacturing them, and deploying them. >> thousands stealing secrets. so this is a serious threat then, would you...

Country right now than china. the very next day, the chinese defense ministry accused the united states of undermining global stability. and by the way, trade negotiations resume this week. ken is back with me. ken, this is one of those things that's flown under the radar. but incredibly important story. >> yeah. so while national security reporters like me spent the last two years paying attention to russia, the national security community has become concerned about china, which has been going on for years. but the trump administration is serious about attacking it. they have been talking abo...

China's problem is they are stealing secrets. >> this administration is fighting the same fight? >> no. they're fighting trade. he thinks it's about trade deficits and surpluses. it's not about that. while he's teet twooweeting, cn own the 5g market. what are we doing? they are doing a whole lot of things that make no sense for us to stand still. >> what would you do differently with north korea? would you slam the door on them again? >> i'd make it real clear, you want to talk. you want to deal with us. you want sanctions lifted. show me something ahead of time. >> they have -- >> the reason ...

Shall not settle this time just for a deal that says okay, by more of our goods, natural gas and soybeans. they are attempting as part of the framework to get a deal that protect american intellectual property. no more stealing secrets. he orstops cyber theft for example. you cannot use the regulatory system in china, is a understanding if that is what they are focusing on? >> yeah, i think that ministration is trying to do the right thing. i'm not criticizing the u.s. approach. i may criticize the ministration if they end up being gullible about orchina's policy but we are trying not just to ...