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Jake? >> of course. yes. kaitlan collins, thanks so much. let's talk about this all with our panel. let's start with kelly. he's been living on borrowed time for a while now, and we keep hearing things about him leaving and then they patch things up. but this sounds really bad. have you ever heard of a -- you worked at the white house, the obama white house. have you ever heard of a professional work situation where people weren't on speaking terms? >> no. because even if you hate each other's guts, and there are certainly moments in any white house where the level of stress or the pressure on...

He said there. like, can't really do that. that's against international law. things like that. but tillerson knew what he was doing here, that he's poking the bear. i know the chairs are comfy, but that was clearly not a private conversation with tv's bob schaeffer. >> right. but listen to this, ryan. tillerson also talking about president trump's governing style. >> he acts on his instincts, and in some respects, that looks like impulsiveness. but it's not his intent act on impulse. i think he really is trying to act on his instincts. what was challenging for me, coming from the disciplined, ...

Manafort's legal team about topics that concern both of their clients. and what guiliani told me is based on those conversations, the special counsel doesn't believe manafort's testimony on some issues relating to the president. and guiliani said, based on what he's told, mueller's team doesn't seem to believe that the president was unaware about that infamous 2016 trump tower meeting with the russians promising dirt on hillary clinton at the time. now, guiliani, as part of this conversation, is accusing the special counsel of trying to pressure manafort to say things that he insists just aren...

Referring to. it says, quote, totally clears the president. thank you, exclamation point. you're laughing. i'm not exactly sure what the president is referring to. >> you know, i would say there's nothing that totally clears the president because the document from the southern district of new york continues to implicate president trump. it says that he's the one who directed michael cohen to make payments to women during the campaign, so that's a clear implication. this latest one from mueller's team doesn't directly implicate the president, but it also doesn't clear him. it says that michael ...

>> well, the fbi, for understandable reasons, doesn't want me talking about the details of the investigation that is still ongoing. it began when i was fbi director. and so it makes sense that they don't want me going into those details. but that's a very teeny part of what we talked about today. a whole lot of hillary clinton's e-mails, which will bore you. >> so you're -- >> the next time the hearing will be public? is there any talk of that? >> there wasn't any talk of it. i think they want to do it the same way. i wish it were going to be public, but i think we're going to have to do it th...