manafort's legal team about topics that concern both of their clients. and what guiliani told me is based on those conversations, the special counsel doesn't believe manafort's testimony on some issues relating to the president. and guiliani said, based on what he's told, mueller's team doesn't seem to believe that the president was unaware about that infamous 2016 trump tower meeting with the russians promising dirt on hillary clinton at the time. now, guiliani, as part of this conversation, is accusing the special counsel of trying to pressure manafort to say things that he insists just aren't true. i should note that he doesn't know -- guiliani doesn't know if this is going to be part of the filing at all that we're expecting, that he talked about at the top of the hour. maybe even within the next few minutes from robert mueller's team. >> dana bash, thank you so much. mueller's crucial filings are expected any moment. pamela brown joins me now. pamela, these memos really could fill in some of the unknowns about the breadth of the russia