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Congress to go to court. would be civil court to hold barr and mcgahn accountable for not showing up. and to try to compel them to show up. so, this is the next step in democrats legal battle against the administration. you should look at it as a significant escalation. this is something that jerry nadler, the judiciary chairman has been pushing house speaker pelosi to do. it looks like it will unfold this afternoon on the house floor. kristen. >> i think you have hit all the key points there, kasie and jake and kimberl kimberly, let me tu you. this is an escalation and step-by-step process. w...

Situation where they give everything and then only later. if there's a step-by-step process, president trump is actually right, it is possible and it is obtained. >> jon: he seems to agree with you that chairman kim is looking for a bit of attention right no now. >> there's no question that he was delivering a message that he can ratchet up his tests of icbms and he knows that if he were to test a long-range weapon or a nuclear weapon but that have great consequences for negotiations but i think the president in my view is correct that kim jong un is trying to gain a little attention for himse...

Investigate, but then second the person that's pushing hardest for impeachment right now is donald trump. he's really trying to goad congress into impeaching him. how is he doing that? number one, he's taking the position that he's above the law supported by his attorney general and that is all the actions he took to undercut that investigation. secondly, his stonewalling of providing any information for which he can be held accountable. so those -- i think that's what's now raising the question among many members of congress. cuff a strong president and a weak democracy with no oversight? >> ...

Impeachment. that's why having these hearings and oversight, not just judiciary and in the intelligence community -- in the intelligence committee are so important. so step by step lay it out. that's what i think is the process by which we have to proceed. >> you're saying in effect that pelosi's strategy is the correct one here, keep having the hearings, keep making the demands, take the president or the white house to court if necessary and that's enough? >> it may not be enough, but we will see where it leads. >> right. >> but there's two things that have happened, one, we finally got a rul...

But we can't have a president and his administration go rogue by disregarding the obligations of congress and the subpoenas that we're issuing. >> certainly an interesting trend. paul, what are you picking up in your reporting on the hill on this? >> pelosi talked about this, she talked about it thursday, about the step-by-step process. it sounds kind of boring to those of white house are just sort of want to see oh, my gosh, are we going to get to impeachment. >> yes or no. >> if you talk to legal experts who are house general counsel in the past, they say that those interest building blocks ...