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You find embrace. It really depends on where you look. The thing about all of this is though most of these people are trying their best to do what they think is right and i think the motive does matter in a lot of the situations. Most people are trying to be loving even if it doesnt feel like love to some of the rest of us. Host can you give an example . Guest so the hardest example for people to accept from Westborough Baptist church in topeka kansas. When i went very very much wanted to dislike the church. They are so angry. It seems like they are so hateful and yet they tried to explain to me that what they are doing is out of love because they believe that they have been instructed to love their neighbor and how can you love your neighbor more than to tell them that they are going to hell but they have a chance to turn around so they believe what they are doing is a loving thing. That is really hard for the west rest of u ....