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Great. if they can swap jail cells, then they will do that. but steve is right. this is knot easy. i think this is certainly the riskiest move vladimir putin has made in 20 years of rule -- rule. he has probably spent years thinking about it, years planning it. and as steve said, the apparatus they have operating in ukraine is massive in order to book on everything they are going to have to do. even with all that, i think, personally, the insurgency is a huge problem for putin. if he changes the government, that doesn't change it, as ambassador pfifer just said on air, the ukrainians are going...

Limited vantage point. i did see some ukrainian forces, you know, earlier today on the outskirts of kyiv as i was going towards that airbase that i reported from earlier today where i actually met up with russian special forces sort of unexpectedly. um, and they looked tired. they look worn down. some of them looked like they -- they, you know, had not had sleep for a long time. and that compared very unfavorably to how the russian forces looked because when i met them -- after i realized they were actually russian forces -- they were, you know, the kind of people that had been brought in. wer...

Pushed, there has to be some sense that is ready for diplomacy. >> great analysis. ambassado ambassador steven pfifer, thank you so much. really appreciate your time. >> thank you. all right much more from ukraine at the bottom of the hour. but first, let's go back to rosemary church in atlanta with the day's other news. good to see you, rosemary. >> you too, thank you so much, michael. we will catch you very soon. so after two years of tight pandemic border controls, more countries are welcoming back travelers, and learning to live with covid. coming up, easing restrictions, emotional reu...

The deputy US secretary of state said Washington pushed back on Moscow's security proposals. Her Russian counterpart said there was no basis for Western powers to fear an "escalation" with Ukraine.

The deputy US secretary of state said Washington pushed back on Moscow's security proposals. Her Russian counterpart said there was no basis for Western powers to fear an "escalation" with Ukraine.