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President vladimir putin. and russia hacked e-mails that he was accused of stealing. >> if, in fact, bob mueller does have something, some manner of communication that does prove that the president was discussing these things, that's the only way this makes sense. because otherwise why would -- what would be the purpose? how would this help? >> i think there are two potential objectives in muddying the waters like this. one is rudy himself may not be certain because the president himself may not know, may, in fact, not recall, may not have been able to tell his own lawyer in a consistent way. ...

Was general enough that it covered him admitting to talking about trump tower up through election day. >> if you are in rudy giuliani's shoes or anyone who works for the president, you know he does lie. he doesn't tell the truth. in a sense, you have to protect yourself against that. you broaden and create a window or a parameter in which almost anything could have happened and the story changes and you are still safe on that. >> one of the stunning things about the last week to 10 days is we get to the end of 2018 and many people thought we would wrap things up. what are we learning? the trum...

Daniels? >> no. >> no. so three weeks later, cohen's offices were raided and team trump's story changes dramatically. >> michael would represent me like with this crazy stormy daniels deal, he represented me. >> up to that point it didn't exist in trump land. then rudy giuliani suddenly changed the events. >> it's not campaign money, no campaign finance violation. so they funneled it through a law firm. funneled it through a law firm and the president repaid it. >> oh, i didn't know. >> he did. >> the next morning trump tweets mr. cohen, an attorney, received a monthly retainer. money from the...

25 at these parties. at community college at the time and kavanaugh was in high school. brian: it's just such a damning accusation. you would think there would be more to back it up before you sign up michael avenatti and become international news. you are basically telling someone -- i mean, that's a criminal offense to put drugs in somebody's drink and then to say you got online for gang rape and now she says i just saw people gathered around. ainsley: i'm so sorry if that happened to her. you can't go on national television and release a statement saying all these claims and when you are in...

Matter when your story changes? and by the way, we heard from her as he reminded on three occasions. >> it is very problematic when you change her story after a sworn statement. as an attorney, we prepare a statement for our client and sometimes they write it themselves. what does happen is that she reviews that statement, her attorney reviews that statement, she swore under penalty of perjury, the code for the united states that she was telling the truth and now she has changed her story. so the question becomes under the supreme court's test that they laid out for perjury, did she willfully ...