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and for those keeping score at home, it's two democratic appointees and one republican appointee who are hearing this case, which i think lends some optimism to the -- jack smith's team because of that makeup. it's also true, this argument for donald trump is a pretty extraordinary stretch. remember when we covered the mueller investigation. and there was much sdiscussion that there's is a justice department policy. not a law, but a policy, that says a sitting president should not be indicted. implicit in that policy, of course, he could be indicted later for something he did. that's...

So many people are looking at the issue of civil litigation and conduct in office. they think of bill clinton and what that meant. tell me why this is distinction. conduct in office and immunity and prosecution compared to that. >> remember that bill clinton was sued by paula jones for sexual harassment. and the supreme court held in that case, even though ooh he was a sitting president, he could face the civil case. >> i want to go live for a second. we have the ntsb news conference. >> -- both are aerospace engineers for the ntsb. really specialists in str structures, including looking at th...