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Tie it in to the white house. not at this point. >> watch tomorrow -- well, what he has said to me today is make sure we watch tomorrow's hearing because he is going to present the evidence to prove it. >> all right fop prove what. >> that they can get it right all the way up into the white house before it was all revealed. >> really. for months one of the most generally outraged members of congress and also the chair of the house oversight committee darrel issa insisted it was a politically motivated operation. he even suggests it went to the highest ranks of the u.s. government. >> this wa...

Year-olds who think the way that the tea party not. 35 year-olds are ecumenical, inclusive people who are going to build a different kind of america than the republican party represents. so this is all fine and good for the republican base. it is exactly what their problem is and the smart people in the republican party understand that they can't have darrel issa and mitch mcconnell as their spokesmen if they want to succeed. >> i still think there needs to be an investigation of the irs. i don't understand why -- okay, you can make this into a republican issue or make it into the issue that d...

Progressive or a take partier, neither of which i am, i would feel better if we had an investigation. this is the arm of the government that takes our money -- all of it, pretty much lately. and they're getting ready to have more power when the health care law kicks in. i think it is crazy to say darrel issa is an idiot, we don't care about this, there's no there there. let's prove there's no there there. how about that idea? >> we have the fast and furious, benghazi, this. he is a proven entity as far as scandals. >> let's take him out of the equation. we are really talking about the irs. >> ...

>> when issa was leaving the hearing yesterday he appeared to be looking for something. quite possibly the scandal itself. melissa, we pose the meta question. is there a there there -- here. and it seems to me that there's not a lot of there there. >> as you were speaking you said the fact that they were both tea party groups and progressive groups means that some of the president's friends were targeted. i thought yeah, but those hoe progressive groups that could be out to get the president more than the tea party. this was a ready made kind of scandal in that people dislike the irs. if you h...

Essentially what the supreme court has muddied the waters on. >> they are taking deductions -- >> they're certainly getting the secrecy. >> even the change in the rules where it says partially or exclusively. >> so what the irs is basically trying to do is stop abuses. and have you a clown running the investigation which doesn't help their credibility. >> there's another alternative here which is to say maybe no non-profits hud have the same sp free speech rights as corporations. not whether the irs attempted to do their job actually went after one set of groups or another. maybe we also need ...