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I have a line in my book, strongmen, which trump is in it, so is mussolini, they believe him because they believe in him. what trump has managed to do is create this alternate reality and to set himself up as the only arbiter of truth. there are those people. then there are other people who don't believe him, and there are studies actually showing that some people like the fact that he's, like, a rogue figure and that he is kind of not telling the truth. that's part of his lawless appeal. there are many reasons people will say they trust him over their own friends and family, but from where i ...

Make no mistake. this is a very, very dangerous and significant storm. >> we will continue to bring you updates throughout this evening. this week, the grand jurors in georgia who voted to indict trump are facing a barrage of threats. the addresses of the jurors were posted on social media platforms and far-right forums. state police are now investigating. also this week, a texas woman was arrested and charged with threatening to kill federal judge tanya chutkan in washington, the judge overseeing a criminal case against trump for trying to overturn the 2020 election. the texas woman left a ra...

Message at the federal courthouse where she said, in part, you are in our sights. we want to kill you and, quote, if trump doesn't get elected in 2024, we are coming to kill you. worth noting, trump has publicly attacked judge chutkan online, calling her biased and unfair. clint watts is back with us. also with us is ruth ben-ghiat, she is a professor of history and author of strongmen -- mussolini to the present. it is good to see you both. clint, first, talk about what the investigation into the threats on judge chutkan -- what role does the fbi play in addressing the dangers there? >> yeah,...

Judge chutkan on line, calling her biased and unfair. clint watts is back with us. also with us is ruth ben-ghiat, she is a professor of history and author of strongmen -- mussolini to the president. it is good to see you both. clint, first, talk about what the investigation into the threats on judge chutkan -- what role does the fbi play in addressing the dangers there? >> yeah, in the case of the fbi, their national jurisdiction and the fact that they can also piece together with these online threats with on the ground activity -- meaning they can quickly since those in a much broader and mo...

Institution of his office, and quote. i implore you to read this article in full. it has been published this morning. joining me now is ruth bin got, a professor of history at nyu. she's the author of the newsletter that follows threats to democracy, she's the author of the very important book, strongmen. mussolini to the president. we're thank you for being here this morning. i appreciate. you will recall, unite discussed when donald trump posted that thing about the termination of the constitution, and returning into office. he subsequently made light of it. he did post, in fact, i think he ...