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Saying before he interrupted you? >> absolutely. so first thank you for having me on the show. a federal court had found texas's 2011 voter i.d. law had b passed with intent. after years of litigation texas that law in 2017 in an attempt to try to cleanse it of its discriminatory intent and effect. it still remains one of the most discriminatory voter i.d. laws in the country. they don't accept state i.d. or student i.d. because they're trying to discourage certainty voters who have difficulty getting those i.d.'s from turning out to slowest. >> the idea that you can vote in texas with a gun l...

Laws are racist. >> despite the professor handing senator cruz his lunch as you saw in that clip his state texas announced the next day it had begun its own phony audit of election results in four counties in a state trump won. this week we also learned the outcome of a sham audit in arizona a state trump lost. the florida based company cyber ninjas run by trump supporters came to the conclusion biden was actually given more votes than counted. joining me is the professor of law at the university of southern california, thanks so much for coming on the show. senator cruz obviously mischaracter...

Legitimacy. we have to be really careful about that. >> yes. and i want to ask you about the democrats' new voting rights legislation, this compromise bill dubbed the freedom to vote act. in light of your conversation with senator cruz earlier this week, what do you think of this new bill's i.d. requirements, flexible i.d. requirements, but thanks to joe manchin's involvement, it does involve some form of voter i.d. what do you make of that? >> well, i think that's part of my point to the senator, right? every voter i.d. law is not the same. texas has chosen to go down a path of a very restric...

Schooled by this law professor. take a listen. >> in your judgment, are voter i.d. laws racist, professor? >> thank you for that question. so it depends. one thing we have to stop doing is treating all voter i.d. laws as the same. >> okay. so your answer, i want to move quickly so it depend is your answer? >> yes, that is my answer. >> so what voter i.d. laws are racist? >> apologies mr. cruz your state of texas perhaps. >> okay. so you think the entire state of texas is racist. what about requiring an i.d. to vote is racist >> i am not saying the entire state of texas is racist. >> you tell m...

I've been thinking about lately is particularly in light of this exchange for senator cruz is we continue to fight this every generation. none of this is new, suppression evolves and doesn't ever go away. to your point, fred, there will always be something but we have to continue to fight. with respect to that particular exchange one of the things is that voter id laws can vary. voter suppression is based on context. if you look at texas the fact that the texas law only accepts a small number of ids, a driver's license, a handgun violence, a military identification card but not a student id or...