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This is an insurance fund. a subsidy given by the federal government. the trust fund that insures the homes needed a bailout, $1.7 billion. it is not secure. the deal is not -- >> it wasn't adequate. now they're saying coffers are. >> but is this the threshold you need to be? it is just a hair above where we need to be legally with that trust fund. so obama wants to lower the rates but also jeopardize the trust fund which jeopardizes the program and the people the program is there to help. you want to be sure the program exists with sound insurance rates for these homeowners if you're going to...

Sort of subsidy given. if there were, i thought the free market didn't pick winners and losers. remember that? >> i remember that well. but i think a lot of businesses and things that we do in this country are subsidized. from petroleum to many compan s companies, government contracts. >> of course. but why did it bother you when the obama administration chose cnlindra but not if it was a subsidy given to a company here. >> i think it was a bad deal. >> that's what you didn't like about it. you thought it was a bad investment and not subsidized. >> it has proven to be bad -- >> but before peop...

We don't know that much about the deal, what they were offered in ownership to keep the jobs here. do you want to know more about that? >> you know, from the beginning donald trump had said that he was going to make fantastic deals and he was going to persuade companies to invest in america and american people. he's proven that early on. >> so if they were given some sort of finance inducement to stay here, let's say they are subsidized somehow? >> no, it wouldn't bother me. the key right now and trump's primary focus is putting the american people first. that's all he cares about. trump in a ...

American people first. that's all he cares about. trump in a lot of ways reminds me of a hero of mine, which is general patton. okay? i think since world war ii, there hasn't been a hero for america like patton was, and i think trump is the new hero for america. >> but, john if there were some sort of subsidy given, we don't know what the deal is, if there was, i thought the free market didn't pick winners or losers? >> remember that. >> i remember that well, but i think a lot of businesses and things we do in this country is subsidized from petroleum to many companies, government contracts. >...