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>> he raised the possibility of being pushed too. there's a lot of flak being directed his way here. is there a place for him? do you sense him flirting with if not the republican party than possible independence? >> i could see him becoming an independent and caucusing with the democrats. i don't think that would be a horrible thing. i think that it would probably be more accurately reflect who he is and what he believes. i don't think he's a republican. he clearly supports a lot of things that republicans don't support. so but i do think that he clearly is different than a lot of other democ...

Hunger strike to pressure holdout senators like joe manchin. by the end, they had to be carted around on wheelchairs. their bodies were so weak, several were eventually hospitalized after not eating anything for two straight weeks. that action by those young members of the sunrise movement was just one part of a much larger series of protests that we have seen, not just from climate activists, but from all sorts of different people urging lawmakers to pass the president's agenda, specifically to pass this build back better bill. when democratic senator joe manchin is in washington, he lives on...

Climate activists, but from all sorts of different people urgin lawmakers to pass the president's agenda, specifically to pass this build back better bill. when democratic senator joe manchin is in washington, he lives on a yacht, which he likes to call a houseboat. you might remember our coverage from september, a group of activists from his home state of west virginia. they paddled up to senator manchin's yact in their own kayaks. kay-activists. they said support build back better and don't sink our bill. they caused enough of a stir they eventually got senator manchin to come out and talk t...

So where she is known, she really does support build support and enthusiasm. so i take her point, and i've been part of spinning polls. that's not spin. she really is in a different position than the better known democratic candidates in that top tier. >> hoping for a firewall in south carolina. >> well, firewall in south carolina. if she could finish respectably in iowa, that would be a big help. i really think she needs to spend time. >> if iowa doesn't do well and new hampshire, the field is wide open for not biden. and i really am convinced that not biden will be a woman. i can tell you, b...

Usual this week, i believe on 9/11. that's another story for another day. but she is of that top tier, other than mayor pete buttigieg, and she is ahead of him, she is the least known nationally. if you look at the size of her crowd on the day she announced in oakland where she is from, she had 20,000 people there. so where she is known, she really does support build support and enthusiasm. so i take her point, and i've been part of spinning polls. that's not spin. she really is in a different position than the better known democratic candidates in that top tier. >> hoping for a firewall in so...