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Was in the lower levels. i've seen it expand minute by minute to the top of that building, do you think that the internal fire system was activated or was active and still despite that internal fire system the fire was still able to spread to the a upper levels? >> well, that's one of the issues. you're xktly right. that's one of the issues we have with modern fuel loading. that just means that the combustibles in hotels and homes today are all petrochemicals. they release their energy or their heat and power ferociously, quickly. so we design our systems based on calculations. and the uae is ...

You can see on the left-hand photo or video, rather. so now what you want to do is see how much of your suppression, internal suppression systems are working. in other words, are my sprinkler systems working, are my standpipe systems working. that's one thing a chief would have to apprise. one thing about the uae system much like the american equipment, they've got great equipment but their manpower is scant. these are going to be manpower intensive events to do any interior fire fighting. >> right. >> if they have working systems, which i'm assuming they did, they'll activate as many of the s...

Fire chief? would you say that their fire suppressant technology was as advanced as anywhere in the world? did you see any faults when you toured those facilities or did you see them to be as comparable to anything we have elsewhere? >> they're comparable to anything else you have in the modern industrialized world. i've conducted training over there for several years with the penro corporation. and we've done hands-on training in bahrain and we've been in dubai and abu dhabi. these buildings are built with modern-day fire suppression systems. what we're interested in and what we have here in ...

Fire department 11/the same thing les just said, they thought they had it out, it came back and reignited. and the suppression systems in the wide body planes, there's questions whether they could put that out. hopefully we'll learn more lessons through the dream liner fires. >> there's the issue of lithium batteries carried by passengers. and used operationally like in the dream liner? >> right. >> mostly i would be focused on the cargo hold as les mentioned, it doesn't always work. >> halon? >> that would be the fire extinguisher unit in the cargo area. once it's smothered and the system bel...