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Around the issue of immigration coming from a border state like texas. and that is the visibility i think that someone like julian castro saw was to kind of get beneath a lot of the surface level talk of everyone being in favor of reversing trump and say how far are you actually willing 20 go, because this administration has been using the process of crossing the border illegally as a means to separate families at the border. are you in favor of making illegal border crossings a civil offense and no longer a federal crime? is every democrat on the stage going to embrace that? we don't yet know...

Voters are closer to each other, particularly those who are post college, you know, graduate degrees, than older voters black and white. >> yeah. >> particularly on these kinds of issues. >> that's right. >> what do you think of that? i think the generational stuff ends up having more salients than the racial ones did. >> yeah, i mean, absolutely. on the surface level, right? what joe biden said about james eastland and talmadge who, by the way, were segregationist democrats. he was not talking about bipartisanship. he wasn't talking about bipartisanship because they were also democrats at the...

You do? tell me more. i mean this is the special counsel's office saying this. it's signed on behalf of robert mueller by michael dreeben, the top appellate lawyer on the mueller team. also by another lawyer. what is this press of work they're facing right now this week that prohibits them from getting a motion into this judge by two days from now as it pertains to unsealing stuff from manafort's case? and why would filing the special counsel's motion on that subject require, quote, additional time to consult within the government? i mean, at a surface level i don't think anybody much cares ab...

By two days from now as it pertains to unsealing stuff from manafort's case? and why would a -- filing the special counsel's motion on that subject require, "additional time to consult within the government?" i mean, at a surface level, i don't think anybody much cares about whether we're going to get the mueller's team response about unsealing all of manafort's stuff by thursday of this week or by april 1st, which is a week and a half from now. this filing today from the special counsel's office says in fact even "the washington post" doesn't mind about this delay at all. they consent to this...

Linking cohen to some kind of russian involvement, he would have had to plead guilty to that. the fact that he did not and plead guilty to lying to congress says a lot. mostly about what mueller does not have in the investigation. >> neil: it's a very good point. what is also revealed here the trump tower that was going to be built in moscow, never was. getting donald trump to go to moscow to try to close the deal with cohen never happened. so it would appear at just a surface level that there's no there there. am i missing something? >> no. in fact that's what i was shocked about. you know in...