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But we still only know the surface stuff. because the former president is giving us new information, by his own admission, around how far he was willing to go to bring american democracy to its knees. he lost the election and yet he is still talking about overturning the election. he is still talking about trying to overturn the will of the american people. it is incredible, chris. >> so chuck, forgive me for an overly broad question, but it does seem like we are learning new things every day, we learned about the president ripping up more and more of the paperwork that is supposed to be held ...

Not on the issues, but on the surface stuff that doesn't actually matter. i guarantee there will be handshakes and smiles. who knows what they talk about, but that will be the focus. remember his trip to the middle east, to saudi arabia. ed wasn't necessarily on terrorism, it was on the optics of the trip. i think a lot of people are frustrated by that and i'll thing that's going to change with the g20 summit. >> charles: the president of the united states should not change who he is or what he's trying to achieve because of prewritten stories by the mainstream media. that's what i think. to u...

Although humans are humans and we can't necessarily read the surface stuff. but there's still a lot that we don't know here. that's putting it mildly. so it's hard to say. if i had to vote i'd say it's probably at the bottom of the ocean. by the same token, nothing really is impossible at this point. >> jim, there have been pilots who have committed suicide but basically they've turned the plane just nose down and just gone into the water gone into the ground. this is a plane, jim, that continued to fly, apparently. >> yeah. if he wants to commit suicide he doesn't have to fly halfway across t...

Airplane, was the intent to take off from that particular landing strip also. that would have to be selected quite carefully. john, what do you make of the idea of terrorism? whether a crash or some sort of landing? >> the landing isn't impossible but it certainly is a very, very low level of probability. i agree with that entirely. i'm more concerned with the possibility of a rogue or wanna-be terrorist who might have taken over this airplane. we don't know if there was somebody riding in the cockpit. so far the profiles we've had of both the pilot and the co-pilot do not indicate a high prop...

Through of issues that is more than just kind of surface stuff. >> i wanted to refer some new polling number in ohio. despite the president's problems with the economy, he still leads against the republican challengers across the board. the closest to him is mitt romney. what does that tell you? >> well, i would love to say it was they are fighting back. they're looking at these republicans and saying these guys aren't serious. they've been pulled so far to the right. as up, pat robertson is telling them to dial it back. you know you're in bad shape then. and they're looking at the policies an...