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Ron Johnson argues that the United States should abandon Ukraine to Putin

And making them worse than vladimir putin, this is at the core of what the party wants. and this is -- there is this contrast happening right now. some of the old guard, who know, you know who follow the traditional rules and you don't see mitch mcconnell out there doing these kind of childish trolling in the same way and, but you see, like, a ted cruz will tweet that joe biden is a surrender monkey. classy. for not being tough enough with the sanctions or whatever. meanwhile you have trump and j.d. vance and the populist maga right arguing biden needs to surrender hard. and the only thing tha...

What do you make of that? what's your take? >> i think we have to be careful on the houuse of language. there is no question, this was a betrayal. it was a betrayal of american values. it was a betrayal of american government. it was a betrayal of what you would expect the president of the united states to do. i agree it's unlikely congressional republicans are really going to hold him accountable. but there is an element to this that is significant. katie, you have pointed out that the one thing that donald trump fears and hates the most is to look weak. and yesterday, he looked weak. remembe...

The problems. and he looked like -- he looked like vladimir putin's caddie yesterday. >> so my question is, given all that, he looks like a surrender monkey and he looks weak and he's betraying, that's the word you used, betraying american intelligence, betraying the intelligence community, betraying the doj after this indictment, and that sort of indictment usually does go through, a very detailed indictment with a paper trail. if all of these things are happening, what does that make republicans who are just standing by and allowing him to do that? who's worse in that scenario? >> well, it m...

Let's see you do something. i assume he's going to try some sort of a stunt this week to prove the skeptics in the house that he's willing to put some sort of -- >> he's not a surrender monkey. >> put some skin in the game but i can't figure out what that is. senator remember i want to ask you this. do you think the republican party ought to pursue a strategy that case okay we didn't like the president's health care plan. but you know what he was re-elected, elections have consequences, so now let's work with the administration to shape it and implement it. are you ready to implement this thin...