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Surveillance programs? >> it's hard to overstate how important the second circuit is in the federal judiciary for other courts. it's probably the most important court right after the supreme court. along with the dc circuit. and also the judges all three judges are appointed by democratic presidents. president obama and president clinton. what's amazing is just how aggressive the ruling is in rejecting the justice department's arguments one after the next. it says that the plaintiffs have standing to sue because the u.s. government is collecting everybody's communication data and therefore the...

He spoke to the host in moscow where he has been for more than a year. he defended revealing classified information exposing the nsa extensive surveillance programs but john oliver did not let him off easily. >> how many of those documents have you actually read? >> i've evaluated all of the documents in the archive. >> you've read every single one? >> i do understand what i turned over. >> the difference between understanding what is in the documents and reading what's in the documents. >> i recognize the concern -- >> because when you're handing over thousands of nsa documents, the last thin...

The security services have to be right every single time. one things that makes a difference and helped in a lot of these arrests is surveillance programs be it social media surveillance and surveillance on phone records. one person was caught trying to look at indirect travel routes to turkey to be able to get to isis. how do you balance the evident area value and also the investigative value of being able to have the surveillance programs and protect folks from exactly these folks versus on the other side the personal freedoms here in the united states? >> well i have nothing but respect for...

Women in war by criticizing president obama, and before i believed that would -- >> msnbc do that. >> that's money point. i want too hear evidence before i believed any accusations against other journalists. if people have evidence we did that, i can guarantee you if any story we publish from the snowden documents cause the death of nip, people in the obama administration would be running to "the new york times" in order to plant to discredit us. the fact they can't point to any of these harms means no rational person should be willing to accept that. >> has there been pressure of you not to r...

Sudden americans are very, very concerned. >> you are seeing both sides of the issue. you think it is okay for the nsa to collect data. >> and it is okay for google to collect data. i don't really care. >> but you actual lie think snowden -- you think he should be in prison for it? >> yes, absolutely. >> and who could disagree with you? perhaps the man to your right. >> i don't even know where to start with this story. use of the phrase man up is so obviously problematic. >> actually where are the feminists on this? where are they to attack john kerry. >> they are taking a lunch. i want to tak...