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karl rove, kellyanne conway and mark penn rate these speeches and these men as candidates at this stage of the game. great discussion coming up with them. also, this unbelievable story. we're still trying to figure out what happened here. four americans were assaulted and then kidnapped just inside the mexico border. we expect an update soon on who are these americans that are involved here. now kidnapped, likely by cartel linked individuals on that side of the border. we'll get new information and bring it this hour. president biden hasn't said whether or not he is running for presi...

Study and then you hear him at the podium walk up there like he had nothing to do with it. no oversight. from these e-mails, it's clear that he did. what is going on here? >> well, t simple point is that dr. fauci was informed by this same group of scientists that write this paper on the origins of covid-19 with the goal of disproving a lab leak. they came to the conclusion it was a lab leak and more over, it was bio engineers viral vector. that means it's like a biological weapon. if it gets out, it was going to cause world havoc. fauci threat tenned to turn them in to the fbi if they continu...

Leak. even know that 3/4s of the scientists concurred that a lab leak did happen. >> martha: i want to play this from jim jordan over the weekend from this committee. watch this. >> so the fundamental question is why was dr. fauci so consumed by making sure the narrative wasn't about the lab? i think it's because they were doing gain of function research there. he didn't want that out. >> martha: so they were doing gain of function research, which amps up the makeup of this virus to figure out how can we make it more viral. the benign explanation is, we'll do that and the lab will figure out h...

That we can make available to you. a group of highly qualified evolutionary virologists looking at the sequences there and the sequences of bats as they evolve. the mutations that it took to get to the point where it is now is totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human. >> david asher led an investigation into the beginnings of covid and has long head that everything pointed to the lab. he's now a senior fellow at the hudson institute. david, good to have you here. this story is pretty spicy. it goes through e-mails where certain people are included in the group to d...