My final point is that that table may -- know politics at the dinner table, right? >> greg: no. it's bad for climate change. [laughter] it is amazing how personal everything becomes too joy, how ironic her name is, joy, when she is so miserable. if you don't agree with her, she thinks you are either stupid or evil. i think that's the bottom part about it. i don't see that with whoopi. i think she actually tries to understand peer bull >> jesse: she's more of a moderator. >> juan: in both cases, i think they got great ratings, but tool tulsi gabbard.