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We are on capitol hill meeting with members of the freedom caucus, a caucus 40 members strong who were rallying around florida congressman, daniel webb. i don't know if that's still the case but good to have you. >> you are still interested in being speaker, right? >> i am surely interested in being speaker, because i am fighting against the way the process is. a power-based process. i want to see everything based on principle. >> a lot of your colleagues find paul ryan an acceptable guy to take boehner's place. do you? >> well, that may be the case but i don't see anything that portrays the i...

But in actuality this will avoid the government shutdown that people were talking about. this actually is very, very helpful to the republicans looking towards 2016 and taking the white house back. yes, kevin mccarthy is thought to be the leading contender to take boehner's spot. but it's also important to look that he comes out of leadership, so i think people are frustrated with john boehner, but at the same time they should be -- the party needs to take a harder look at itself. representative peter king said -- made a great comment yesterday. he said this was a victory for crazies. the part...

They want to see tax rates go up but republic leaders on the hill are saying look, we have already gone far enough. take a listen. >> republicans have moved a great deal. who was the first person right after the election was the speaker who went down and provided the revenue that's something you had not heard of before. when has this president offered any of the spending cuts? i think that's where the holdup is. >> it all started with the president putting an offer on the table late last week then speaker boehner last night so you would expect a counter offer to the counter offer from the whit...

Over the past couple weeks, two steps to the process. one is having the guts to stand-up. i say this as a lawyer who sat through a lot of mediations and a lot of negotiations. you have to stare down your opponent. when the opponent breaks, as he has, you have to convert that into a win. >> yeah. >> you can have an advantage on a battlefield. if you can't convert it to a victory -- the question is -- the thing is, if they don't take boehner's bill, then reid's bill comes up. so what happened? >> i think, first of all, what pat was talking about occurred yesterday in the conference meeting where...

Yesterday, here in "america's newsroom", i spoke to steve forbes, he said it's not going to happen. >> this president is so ideologically bound while he'll make noises going in that direction, he's not going to change health care, he's not going to change financial reform, he's not going to change substantively on taxes. you just -- he just can't do it. >> joe trippe, former howard dean campaign manager and fox news contributor and rick tyler, spokesman no newt gingrich and director of renewing american leadership. gentlemen, thank you very much. so rick, let me go to you first. are republican...