To the stalin period, frankly. >> absolutely. you're talking about alexei navalny -- >> can i add one more thing to that interview? >> absolutely. >> i was also struck with his description of trump. i don't mean this facetiously, but frankly, those words could have come out of a lot of mouths of republican enablers in the republican congress. >> be a little more specific, just the generic nature? do you think he tap danced around specifics? >> talented man, didn't come from washington, shook things up, you might not like him, but he -- well, this was a man who didn't know anything about u.s. g...