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It s not necessarily a quagmire but if we start engaging in talks with the taliban, we can make it into a quagmire. takes between the north vietnamese and u.s. started in 1967. they didn t end until 1973. they extended the problem. they compounded problem. they doesn t resolve it. jenna: let s talk about the talks. why do you see them as a tipping point in afghanistan? the way the taliban doesn t see the talks to resolve the war. not a compromise. no insurgency in history see a compromise. they see talks as method of warfare by other means. you heard people saying now we re finally getting offensive against the taliban. they re under pressure. we killed dozens of their commanders. so why then would the taliban want to engage in talks right now? as a way of forestalling further u.s. military action. same thing by the way happened in vietnam. we had the strategy talk and fight. we would talk a bit, fight a bit. when the fighting got hard for the north vietnamese they would be more seri ....
The taliban are pashtun. the fact is the taliban are going to make inroads in afghanistan. i don t think they re going to control the entire country. the north is but they are going to have foot holds and that s reality. that s inevitable. and what we have to do is try to negotiate. quickly before we go to a break, joe go ahead. i just want to say one other thing, though, pat, you talk about the taliban taking over afghanistan. the fact of the matter is, we have got to distinguish, as a country, between the taliban and al qaeda. well, i the taliban doesn t wand to blow up buildings in new york, the taliban doesn t want to kill politicians in washington, d.c., the taliban doesn t want to destroy the united states of america. they want their country back. i agree 100% with that. but we ve got to look in the face of what s going to happen. the algerian civil war ended. what happened to the harkies who fought on the side of the fence is going to happen to all our ....
Do. and i think postponing the visit of the dalai lama was a small step in the wrong direction. and this doesn t mean i think we have a big influence on what happens in china or that china s going to change overnight, but it s very striking when you read the book of it s called prisoner of the state, the memoir of the former general secretary of the chinese communist party, zhao tse yung. i know he died in this was the kind of liberal more reform-minded yeah. although he started out as a hardcore land reformer in guangdong province. but during the course of his career i was amazed, actually, to read this book. he didn t just become an advocate of democracy. he became an advocate of tripartite division of powers. okay, you say he s a maverick, he s unusual. when i think it was back in the spring of 2008, when taiwan held its presidential elections. ....
Continue like business as usual. in that case we will risk that the achievements as a result of military-civilian efforts through nato, the united states and coalition forces, could be neutralized afterwards and that environment will return back. so we fail to gain the trust of the people. it s a concern. it s a serious concern. so let s look at the specific area where this is playing out, kandahar, where the attempt is that the u.s. goes in, clears the area of the taliban, and then an afghan government goes in and holds and builds and tries to create governance there. the new york times has had a couple of articles which suggest that the clear part is going fine, the u.s. military is doing a good job, but then it s been proving very difficult to create an environment where the taliban doesn t come back and that the locals are so scared the taliban will come back that they re even wondering whether they want the u.s. military to clear, that ....
Is it karzai s fault? is it that the taliban doesn t want to talk to us? it s mainly because of the failures of the current administration in afghanistan led by mr. karzai that he s losing support of like-minded people which are not against the process, which they don t want the return of the taliban, which makes the absolute majority of the country. he has failed to provide a just system so they can rely upon. taliban as a result are being able to take recruits from among the people, sometimes through intimidations, sometimes take recruits. so his job is to change that environment. unless we maintain support of the people. and then for those who have joined the taliban because of grievances create better environment. it s very unrealistic to think that we can bring people from the other side of the fence. on that note, dr. abdullah abdullah, thank you very much. you re welcome. thank you. and we will be right back. that old beach boys song ....