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Particular the uk, iran. and i can tell you, frankly, that when i took the decision to send but -- shoulder launched anti tank weaponry from the uk to help the ukrainians, that was very much encouraged by what president trump had already done in sending the javelins. and the javelins were very important. so, you know, president trump as a strong record already in helping the ukrainians. i appreciate that in the, it's odd for me to comment on what's happening in the american presidential campaign. i can appreciate that all sorts of people say all sorts of things. but i believe very strongly tha...

Lending the aircrafts is untenable. >> poland and nato, we all work together on this. it's important, i think, that we are a defensive organization. which means, we won't be getting directly involved in the war. as you rightly say, the united states, it won't be taking those make jets and fly. that's not something that is one going to develop. make no mistake, we're providing huge amounts of aids, the united kingdom is the first to provide tank weaponry before this war broke out. before ukraine was attacked. as well as training 22,000 ukrainian troops, which is something else the united kingdo...

Than sending in weapons, which is what we're doing now? >> effective in what sense? and i can absolutely see, and i do sympathize with why zelenskyy is asking for a no fly zone. because he knows that is nato getting involved in this conflict. if you want to talk about effectiveness in stopping russian ground operations, then supplying the sort of drones and light anti tank weaponry and similar systems on which we've been training that ukrainians now for 5 to 10 years, i think would help them conduct ground operation better. >> so, given your experience, if we were to implement a no fly zone as...

They will be safe. they can be caught up as pawns in this intense struggle. the other thing is we don't know if this is a lebia-style enspecs or iraq where they hide things and they lay games. this could continue for months, potentially. >> kimberly, have we heard from the rebels on the negotiations? even if the government makes the go ahead, there are rebel groups openly hostile to the west. >> rebel groups that intend to continue fighting with weapons the u.s. has now provided to them. they have been on the record as saying they are against this dole, they're against negotiating with the cer...