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Are derogatory comments with the governments. neil: and with vladimir putin saying don't release our conversations. routinely there are a dozen or morley'sening in on these calls. and maybe that's always been the case and maybe picked up steam after they got rid of the taping system in the white house after richard nixon, i don't know. what do you think of that? there are a lot of ears in this. >> frankly, i don't have a problem with that. we entrust our public servants with information, intelligence of far greater value than what was discussed between zelenskiy and president trump. they hold ...

Certain things out of the broader flow. but what we've learned with the whistle-blower and what the "post" is reporting. if one or two folks know about it, there's enough, perhaps, for people to stand up within the system somehow and say this is not right. this needs to stop. and if it's troubling enough for the white house to take extraordinary steps to conceal it, as you say, it raises an enormous number of questions about the content of the calls. is it alexander butterfield in 1973 who revealed in a watergate staff meeting that there was a white house taping system? i don't think it's quit...

What "the post" is reporting is that if one or two folks know about it, there's enough perhaps for people to stand up within the system somehow and say "this is not right. this needs to stop." and if it's troubling enough for the white house to take extraordinary steps to conceal it, as you say, then it raises an enormous number of questions about what the content of those calls would be. is it alexander butterfield in 1973 who revealed in a meeting with fred thompson, in a watergate staff meeting, that there was a white house taping system? i don't think it's quite that scale because we had n...

With the election. a pattern of behavior, even if it is not criminal, it does suggests an abusive power and undermining the process that could arise for the level of impeachable offense. >> frank, let me ask you something, we didn't know about this from the mueller report. so makes me wonder, how secret is this system? it is all a secret from us. the transcripts would be held on one server and if there is a national security reason for them to have been moved to a secure server, that's the reason to do it. limiting the number of people who are access to it. do we think robert mueller knew abou...

With the ukrainian president as well as now, according to the noshl "new york times," tripss of conversations with vladimir putin, removed to this yet more selective system. i don't know if that's akin to alexander butterfield disclosing that there was a recording, you know, that nixon had records in the white house. i don't know what it is. but give me some historical context into this sort of thing. presidents keeping information from those who might want or need it for political purposes as opposed to national security purposes. is there an analog somewhere? >> well, presidents have their s...