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About terrible conditions because of overcrowding in el paso, texas, like that clint, texas border facility we've been talking about for weeks and also in rio grande valley. this widens it to arizona, which shows it's not just happening in texas, there is something systemic in border protection where these agents are not being held accountable and it's more than just an overcrowding problem. overcrowding doesn't cause sexual assault. overcrowding doesn't cause agents to come in and retaliate against children who are upset because they're getting poor water and poor food and take away the only ...

Are still more questions than answer, unfortunately. >> julia, this comes after a big "new york times" and "el paso times" combined team reporting in sunday's "new york times" about what they find going on in the facility, the border patrol station at clint, texas. and one of the things that was included in that report were unnamed border patrol agents talking about how they were reporting this kind of thing up the ladder, up the chain of the command and nothing was happening, and it's actually -- repeatedly a very sympathetic portrayal of some border patrol agents, at least some of them who r...

Has access to treatment. >> you're talking about the lawsuit in ohio that is about to begin. the one in oklahoma, a civil case going on right now, we're all watching very closely. your fellow competitor for the presidency beto o'rourke says there has to be legal consequences including jail time for drug manufacturers. do you believe? jail time for these pharma executives if they are found in guilty? >> yes. >> let's talk more about this, your state of ohio ranked second in the nation for opiod overdoses. i spent a great deal of time with our team reporting across ohio. they had no idea their s...

Are happy, that's why joe biden is winning in the state. that's why most of the other states are winning in the state but we're very early in the campaign. if you're the trump campaign you say, okay, we need to tell these people you're better off. they will raise your taxes. they will do -- the socialist line. they will do things that will undermine, that so that's why team trump, they told the president today you lose, but they see a lot of things in these numbers they think they can use to the advantage. who is your democrat and how do you frame the argument against that democrat. >> and let...

Msnbc contributor jill wine-banks, former watergate prosecutor, frank fugliesi, and michael schmidt, one of the authors of that expansive front-page "new york times" story. michael, you and your team reporting, going back two years and putting together a lot of pieces that add up to a mosaic which some would call obstruction of justice. >> there's a lot of themes in the way the president has approached the investigations around him. one of them is the issue of loyalty, as far back as the seventh day of his administration he was asking then-fbi director james comey for loyalty. more recently he...