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Love the details. let's start with -- one of the things is they're planning this in 2014/2015 to try to lay the groundwork. what kind of stuff was he up to? >> he got this john gauger, who is a tech consultant who works at liberty university run by jerry fall well jr. and had been doing minor tech tasks for cohen for years. so cohen says hey, i want you to help the boss win this cnbc poll of the most influential business people. and can you write a computer script to vote for him a ton of times and gogger tries but he doesn't make the second cut to the top 100. and as you've read, he complauns...

Saying that cohen was a thief. that he stole money from the trump organization because he was taking back his reimbursement more than he actually paid for that tech consultant, so it's a very, you know, interesting black hole we just dug into. >> this is just weird. the fact we're all having this conversation, that i'm having it with the three of you, is a little bit surreal. what's stranger yet is 12 hours ago, that story was the biggest story in america. and now it's 30 minutes into this show and we're talking about it. thank you to all of you. philip rucker, barbara mcquade, and emily jane ...

Organization for $50,000 and that's why rudy giuliani is now saying that cohen was a thief. that he stole money from the trump organization because he was taking back his reimbur reimbursement more than he actually paid for that tech consultant, so it's a very, you know, interesting black hole we just dug into. >> this is just weird. the fact we're all having this conversation, that i'm having it with the three of you, is a little bit surreal. what's stranger yet is 12 hours ago, that story was the biggest story in america. and now it's 30 minutes into this show and we're talking about it. tha...

Payment to a tech firm should have been disclosed. joining me now are the authors of that cohen article. love the details. let's start with -- one of the things is they're planning this in 2014/2015 to try to lay the groundwork. what kind of stuff was he up to? >> he got this john gauger, who is a tech consultant who works at liberty university run by jerry fall well jr. and had been doing minor tech tasks for cohen for years. so cohen says hey, i want you to help the boss win this cnbc poll of the most influential business people.

Inner circle was trying to rig polls in the 2016 race in his favor. the journal reporting that jump's long-time attorney michael cohen hired a company to fix online polls to help trump's campaign. michael cohen who is set to report to prison in march isn't denying it. he broke the story for the journal. he is joining me via phone. also with us, cnn senior white house correspondent pamela brown. talk to me about this man. what did -- he is a tech consultant and workwise liberty university. what did he tell you? >> he told us that he established a relationship with michael cohen around 2012 afte...