Experience, he has worked with us for a year now and has been listening on radio traffic coming from russia's baltic fleet. this is an ex—royal navy intelligence officer, this is to be his professional career but now he works with us, and using his knowledge we have been able to extract locations of some russian navy ships that had been unknown —— at this used to be his professional career. they will turn off their transponders and move off without trackers, but using this method we have got some positions and this is what we have presented today. 50 and this is what we have presented to...