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I mean, the burden of proof is on the other side i would say on this issue. because this report is heavily annotated. the footnotes are rich -- in fact, this is the most detailed account of the intelligence breaks that led to the courier, that led to bin laden. i've written a book on the subject and have investigated this at great length and talked to many of the people involved. and this report is very, very useful. and it may make a convincing case, anderson, information about the courier that led to bin laden came from either people who were in the custody of other governments, or came from...

They did not utilize the subject matter expertise of personnel who had been interrogating al qaeda suspects for years. and they went down a road and it was a disaster. >> president bush, i'm referring to, three of his cia directors wrote today, saying these techniques led to bin laden. address this to you, leif. they wrote, there's no doubt that information provided by the totality of detainees in cia custody was essential to bringing bin laden to justice. the cia never would have focused on the individual who turned out to be bin laden's personal courier without the detention and interrogatio...

Reports pretty clearly indicate that it's likely or in fact confirmed that some or all of these techniques led to information that led to the location of usama bin laden. i've been a supporter of enhanced interrogation techniques under certain limited circumstances. >> governor, one final question, you were somewhat critical of the republicans in congress, and led by john boehner when they got the 38 million dollar deal and you said it was not enough. they should have gone for more. you, two years ago in may, made a deal with democrats and end up getting half of what you wanted in terms after ...

Indicate that it's likely or in fact confirmed that some or all of these techniques led to information that led to the location of usama bin laden. i've been a supporter of enhanced interrogation techniques under certain limited circumstances. >> governor, one final question, you were somewhat critical of the republicans in congress, and led by john boehner when they got the 38 million dollar deal and you said it was not enough. they should have gone for more. you, two years ago in may, made a deal with democrats and end up getting half of what you wanted in terms after budget cut. tell me wha...

Years to bring about a just end to an important cause. so having more options on the table rather than less, i think is wise in this regard. my sense is that candidate obama had a different perspective than president obama. the use of certain techniques led to the source go and ultimately capture and kill of osama bin laden that is valuable intelligence that we should keep in our arsenal. >> president obama chose to make public classified papers revealing our interrogation techniques, in so doing he disclosed them to our enemies and assured they could never be effectively used again. is that w...