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in the united states that s more than the combined total of fatalities from the korean, vietnam and iraq wars. the uk prime minister, borisjohnson has continued to back his chief advisor under questioning from senior mps. he was also questioned about britain s coronavirus response which has seen the highest number of deaths in europe as protests rumble on in hong kong the us secretary of state mike pompeo says the territory no longer merits special status under american law, because china is stripping it of autonomy. and the first private sector mission to the international space station and the first crewed launch from us soil in nine years has been postponed due to bad weather. it s now thought that the spacex rocket will be launched on saturday.
that is it from me and the team for now. now on bbc news, it s time for hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk, i m stephen sackur. in times of crisis we learn plenty about who we really are. so it is that this global coronavirus pandemic is revealing truths about humankind. how we balance self protection against the collective interest. my guest today is the dutch writer and historian, rutger bregman, whose book, humankind: a hopeful history, is making waves across the world. do we humans underestimate our capacity for doing good? theme music plays.
rutger bregman, in the netherlands, welcome to hardtalk. thanks for having me. we are all living in this time of covid i9. it is a global health emergency and, in times of emergency, perhaps we learn more than usual about the nature of human beings. what do you think this pandemic right now is showing us about humanity? i think it is showing us that most people are actually pretty decent and that, especially in the midst of a crisis, people most people at least show their better selves, you know, and you see this explosion of cooperation and altruism. i think that is one of the most important lesson. an explosion of altruism i m just wondering how you process some of the other scenes we have seen of people at times literally fighting to get essential supplies from the shops, we have seen people blaming each other,
scapegoating outsiders for spreading the virus. we have seen lots of very difficult things too. yeah, absolutely and i am not denying any of that. i am just saying that, for every toilet paper hoarder, there are a thousand nurses doing their best to save as many lives as possible, and there are 10,000 people doing their best to stop this virus from spreading further. i think we really have to get away from this old idea that civilization is only a thin veneer and that, as soon as something happens, an earthquake or a disaster or a pandemic, that we reveal our true selfish self. we actually have a lot of evidence from sociology, going back all the way to the 1960s, hundreds and hundreds of case studies, that show that, especially during times of crises, most people start to co operate together, whether they are left wing or right wing, rich, poor, young, old. that s what we see. and i ve just been looking at social
media before coming on air with you and i have been noticing the incredibly vitriolic debate there is in the united states now, between those citizens who want to see society opened up, the economy motoring again, and others who believe that that represents a capitalist instinct to put money before people. regular citizens, on both sides of the argument, are knocking lumps out of each other and we see that all the time on social media. well, you know, twitter and social media is not real life. i think we have to remember that human beings have evolved over thousands of years to communicate with each other on a face to face basis. we have been designed by evolution basically to be friendly to each other. so biologists literally talk about this process of survival of the friendliest, which means that, for thousands of years, it was actually the friendliest among us who had the most kids and so had the biggest chance of passing on their genes to the next generation, and you can see this in our bodies still today. so one very fascinating and peculiar fact about human beings is that we are the only species in the animal kingdom, apart from some parrots, that blush. we have this ability to just
involuntarily give away our feelings to someone else to show that we care about what they think about us. i think that is a very fascinating thing and itjust shows us that we have been designed by evolution to co operate and work together. obviously, if you go on twitter and see all the vitriol there, you may get a different impression but, again, that is not real life. this book of yours which is causing quite a stir around the world, humankind: a hopeful history, it seems to me, in its ambition and its span because it really nods to all of human history, the evolution of civilization over millennia what it seems to me to be doing really going back to the age old philosophical meditation as to whether human beings are intrinsically good, are sort of born innocent and pure, or whether, within them, within the very human nature, there is something that takes us
toward sin and bad things. is that the fundamental argument that you are wrestling with? i think so, yes. there is this very old idea in western culture, as we talked about, that civilization is only a thin veneer scientists call it veneer theory and it goes back to the ancient greeks. if you read the greek historian, thucydides, he talks about the plague in athens, for example, or the civil war in corcyra, in his history of the peloponnesian war, and he had this observation that deep down people are just selfish and animals and monsters, and indeed, if you read the early christian church fathers, saint augustine, same idea, the idea tat we are born as sinners. and you read the enlightenment philosophers, thomas hobbes, david hume, even adam smith, also often emphasise that in the end people are selfish or at least that politically we have to assume that, when we build a society. and i think that idea is just wrong.
it is really fundamentally wrong. in the past couple of decades, we have seen scientists from diverse disciplines psychologists, sociologists, anthropologists, archaeologists all moving from a quite cynical view of human nature to a much more hopeful view of human nature, and what i am trying doing in this book is just to connect the dots and to show that something bigger is going on there. are you saying far from that that people are basically selfish and bad are you saying that, fundamentally, deep down, people are good? i just want to get that clear. no, absolutely not. we are not angels, we are not fundamentally good. i m saying that most people in the end are pretty decent, which i think is a little bit different, and i m also saying that, what you assume in other people is what you get out of them. so if you assume that most people are selfish and that they just want to get as much for themselves as possible, then you will design your society in such a way, you ll create institutions that will bring out the worst in each and every one of us.
and i think we have been doing that for the past a0 years. we have designed schools and marketplaces and organizations in our democracies in a ways that have not brought out the best in us. i think we can turn that around. our view of human nature can be a self fulfilling prophecy. but we did not design everything from shopping malls to political governance on a whim. we were also listening to behavioural scientists. i am thinking of stanley milgram and others operating out of the top universities in california, who set up experiments trying to figure out whether ordinary people could be persuaded to do bad things, including torture of the other ordinary citizens, and concluded that actually, worryingly, yes, they could be persuaded quite easily. are you debunking and dismissing all of that evidence? well, many of it. you know, i used to believe in all of these experiments. i have written earlier books, that luckily have not been translated into english, about the stanford prison experiment, for example. it is only recently that
i discovered, based on the work of an important french sociologist, thibault le texier, that it is actually a hoax. we all know this experiment about 2a students who were selected to participate in an experiment with a sort of fake prison. 12 were made into guards, i2 prisoners, and philip zimbardo, the researchers, sort of said i willjust sit back and just see what happens. and the story that he told later is that these students, on their own, started behaving in a very horrible way, and the message was obviously there is a monster in each and every one of us, just below the surface, there is a nazi in each and everyone of us. it is only recently that we have learned that actually, philip zimbardo specifically instructed the guards to be as sadistic as possible, that many of those guards said, i do not want to do that, that is not who i am. then he said, look, you are these 60s hippies, liberals, right? you want to reform the prison system in america as well,
come on, i need these results, i need you to behave in a horrible way, then we can go to the press and say, look, this is what prisons do to people. and so some of them went along this became a huge story and it is still in the textbooks of millions students, while in reality it s pretty much a hoax. and i do find that fascinating and you have done a lot of work to debunk some of those theories but your big problem, it seems to me, is that, while you might be able to debunk the 60s work which sort of attempted to say there is a quasi nazi mentality within all of us, what you can t debunk, because it is just factual, is nazism, genocide, and the holocaust itself, and not even just the german holocaust, but the genocides we have seen in more recent times, from rwanda to the ethnic cleansing in the balkans and elsewhere. these are realities ordinary people conducted themselves in the most terrible ways
and i do not see how that fits with your fundamental worldview. it would obviously be hubristic to sort of pretend that i can give a sort of short explanation for things that we need libraries of books to understand and maybe we still don t understand it, but i can say this, i believe there is a connection between our capacity for friendliness and our behaviour that sometimes can be so cruel because so often within history we do the most horrible things in the name of comradeship and of friendship. and i think this is sort of the paradox of my book. 0n the one hand i am arguing that people have evolved to be friendly and to work together but then on the other hand sometimes it is exactly the problem because friendly behaviour can morph into tribal behaviour and groupish behaviour. and then people find it hard to go against a group and against the status quo and they start doing these horrible things. but are you not. but that is just one part of the explanation, obviously there are many other
mechanisms at play here. but with what you have just said, are you not coming dangerously close to being an apologist for the mass ranks of hitler s armed forces who committed atrocities? and you might say, oh, well, we have to understand them because, frankly, most of them were simply motivated by comradeship and wanting to defend their brothers and look after themselves that is not good enough, is it? i think it is certainly a danger. i think you are right about that. i think we have to be really careful and make a difference between sort of trying to understand certain behaviour and condoning it. it is the same with the debate about terrorism. we have a genuine responsibility to understand what drives terrorists, why they blow themselves up. and here again you have the same dynamic that often they do it in the name of comradeship and of friendship, and that, especially the foot soldiers, are not that ideologically motivated, they often know very little actually about the ideology. we have had reports
from people going to syria with books in their bags like the quran for dummies. but still they do these horrible things. again, you know, it is absolutely not about condoning, but it is about understanding what is going on here because that is the only way to prevent it, i think. i want to spend a little bit of time on the flip side of your argument not challengingly you with all of the evils that we have seen in recent human history but actually getting you to explain why you think one of your anecdotes in the book, humankind, is so very important and that is the anecdote about what happened to half a dozen tongan teenagers, living in a remote island on the south pacific, when they decided one night to escape from a school that they did not like. they climbed into a boat, took off into the pacific ocean. found themselves in a storm, shipwrecked, and then on a deserted, very tiny island, where they proceeded to live for the next year and more, on their own, with no contact with the outside world and, far from any sort of lord
of the flies scenario, where they ripped themselves apart, you say all the evidence suggests they lived cooperatively, they cared for each other and, when they were eventually discovered, they were in very good shape. it is a fascinating story but does it really tell us anything about the human condition? well, maybe not. it is obviously not a scientific experiment and that would be very hard, to drop lots of kids on islands and have control groups, etc, and then to judge and study how they behave. i am just saying that, if millions of people around the globe still have to read lord of the flies in school, and they often become quite pessimistic and cynical after reading it. i mean, i remember reading it when i was 16 and i was depressed for a week afterwards. i am just saying that let s also tell them about the one time that we know of in world history that real kids, shipwrecked on a real island, and it is the most happy story you can imagine.
they lived there for 15 months, they cooperated really well, and they became the best of friends. actually, the captain who rescued them, an australian captain named peter warner, is still soulmates with one of the boys, who is now 70 years old, mano totau. i mean, if it would be movie, a hollywood movie, people would say, oh, this is so sentimental, this is not how people would really behave, this is worse than love actually but it is what really happened. 0n hardtalk we talked to a lot of sort of public intellectuals, big thinkers with big ideas about the way we human beings organise our societies today and i m thinking of the recent past where we have interviewed yuval noah harari and steven pinker, and these are thinkers who fundamentally i think believe in a notion of human progress. steven pinker, in particular, will make a point of saying you might think things are bad today, we focus on the wars,
we focus on the bad stuff, but actually human beings are living in the best of times. there is more security, better education, more relief from poverty than there has ever been in human history before. and he would say that is because we are evolving better ways of running our societies. your message, although you are an optimist about the human condition, seems to be that we are actually not discovering better ways to run our societies, and you seem in some ways anti progress. well, i m absolutely not. we have made extraordinary progress in the last couple of decades, moral progress, technological progress. if you would chose any time to live, it would be now. what i am just saying is that we got the history of civilization all wrong. steven pinker paints a picture of our history in which supposedly everything was worse, when we were nomadic hunter gatherers, which we were for 95% of our history, we were raging these tribal wars that is sort of the pessimistic view. what i am trying to show in the book is that actually
civilization was, for most of our history, a big disaster. it started the age of warfare, of patriarchy, of hierarchy, of infection disease like we are dealing with right now. and actually the lives of nomadic hunter gatherers were much healthier and happier and more relaxed than the lives of the city dwellers and the farmers who came after it. but how on earth. ..and why do we remember this because obviously we have made a lot of progress in the last couple of decades. how can you posit that the cave dwellers and the hunter gatherers were a happy people living in a state of sort of pure innocence. you have no idea! they had not left written record and you are just sort of imposing some sort of quasi religious world view upon this sort of age of innocence, aren t you? no, i m not. it is obviously hard to know how our ancestors lived 30,000 years ago. but we do have two important sources. so we have what anthropologists
have studied. you know, tribes who lived in the 19th or the 20th century and who still lived as nomadic hunter gatherers, and you can look if there are similarities in the way they live, and you ll discover, for example, that they have these really egalitarian societies, a relaxed lifestyle, a work week of around 20 30 hours, they are healthier than farmers as well, for example. and you can obviously also study the archaeological records. now, you are absolutely right, nomadic hunter gatherers did not leave much behind but, if there was really some kind of war against all going on in our deep past, then you would be expected that at some point some artists in the stone age would have said, you know what? i am making a cave painting out of that. but we have not found any there is nothing like that. we have a lot of cave paintings but not about war between people. then we settled down, we became sedentary about 12,000 years ago, we started doing agriculture, and you find a lot of these cave paintings that are very suggestive and that there is also the evidence we have from excavation,
skeletal remains you can study that. most experts in the field, most archaeologists and anthropologists believe that war has not been with us forever. and has really been an invention. it s just that these people did not get a lot of attention in the press because they are not telling us this dark story. i think it s often seen as more boring. i am just now wondering what all of this means for rutger bregman‘s analysis of where we are today? you paint this picture of a sort of idyllic prehistory, where hunter gatherers lived in a more pure sort of human condition what does that lead you to conclude about the state of capitalism, for example, today? you have written a lot about what you believe to be the inadequacy of capitalist systems, the failure to deliver any sort of equality orjustice
to ordinary people. so what are you suggesting, that we all find our inner caveman? if you look at the model that we have had for the last a0 years, neo liberal capitalism, i think the central dogma has been that most people are selfish and so we designed our institutions around that. and i think the results have not been good. we have had an epidemic of loneliness and anxiety and burn outs, and it is also not a great way to deal with the pandemic we are in right now. so what i hope, and i am not predicting this, it is just what i hope but it is a possibility, is that we could now move to a new age with different values and a more realistic view of human nature, where we rely more on our ability to co operate and to have this kind of solidarity, that is what i hope. you are a sort of latter day marxist, an idealist who.? no, actually, really the opposite. marx was convinced that history was driven by material forces and that ideas were just, well,
who cares about the ideas that was just the superstructure. i believe in the power of ideas. i really think that ideas that are often dismissed as unreasonable or unrealistic, that will never happen , can over time move from the margin to the mainstream. and that is what i think has been happening actually, since the financial crash of 2008. now we are discussing ideas, like universal basic income, higher taxes on the wealthy, a more powerful state, that is really willing to invest in our future. that is moving into the mainstream. if you ve seen the financial times editorial, for example, the beginning of april, even there, really changing their mind right now. so i am not a marxist at all, i believe in ideas. itjust seems there are some internal contradictions that we are teasing out even in this conversation because, a minutes ago or a few minutes ago, you said that, like steven pinker, you think this is the best time ever for human beings to be alive
and in so many different ways, yet you re also telling me that for the last a0 years you think human beings and their developed capitalist societies have taken a series of wrong turns can both be true at the same time? yeah, i think so. historically speaking, this is one of the best times to be alive but we can do so much better. i don t see any contradiction here. and then obviously, also the big question we have with our current model is, is it sustainable? we have got the massive extinction of species around the globe, we ve got global warming. even if we are having a relatively good time right now, that is an important question to ask, is it sustainable? yeah, and i am just looking at, for example, the words of sir angus deaton, one of britain s most respected economists, saying, i am still a great believer in what capitalism has done, not only for the off sited billions who have been pulled out of poverty, as we ve discussed, but to all the rest of us who ve also escaped poverty and deprivation over the last two and a half centuries.
this is progressive and it is real. i would agree with that as well. i am a little bit bored with all those old debates from the cold war in the 80s about capitalism versus socialism, and the market versus the state. i just think that capitalism has been underperforming quite a bit in the last couple of decades and it could do so much better. it is all about saving capitalism, it s about reforming capitalism. if you look at the 50s, for example, and 60s, we had much higher growth, much higher rates of innovation, and also much higher taxes on the wealthy. i think that often, taxes on the wealthy, for example, often let our societies function better so there can be more fundamental research and innovation etc. it is a year and a half pretty much since you went to davos and rather famously lectured a whole bunch of billionaires that philanthropy really was not the answer to any of the world s problems, it was all about taxation and the rich paying much more in terms of tax to genuinely redistribute wealth in society.
not much has really changed since then. perhaps you think that the crisis and the emergency that surrounds us with coronavirus may be the trigger for some fundamental change that was not on cards before. is that the way you see things? yes, absolutely and i think that actually quite a bit has changed. the window of political possibility has really been moving. people could say, oh, but corbyn lost the election, and sanders lost the election yes or the primaries that is absolutely true and it would be nice if progressives sometime get their act together and win an election for once, i mean, that would be nice. but then, if you look at the kind of ideas that are increasing in power look atjoe biden‘s tax plan, for example. it is twice as radical as hillary clinton s tax plan of 2016. if you look at his climate plan, it is actually more radical than bernie sanders‘ climate plan of 2016.
things are really shifting but you can only see that if you zoom out a little bit. rutger bregman, we have to end there, we have to zoom out completely, but it has been a pleasure having you on hardtalk. thank you very much indeed. thanks for having me. hello again. wednesday brought us more sunshine across the country. the highest temperature was again around the greater london area, this time in heathrow, 26 celsius. and a bit further north in suffolk, that s how we ended the day. now over recent days, the warmth that has mainly been concentrated across southeast england has been spreading into wales,
southwest england, and for thursday the heat is more widespread across the uk. so most areas will have warmer weather, one exception really, east anglia and south east england where it is going to get a little bit fresher with temperatures coming down just a few degrees, but still warm. we ll take a look at why. 0n the satellite picture, we have this cloud working into northern scotland and bring a bit of rain. and a very weak cold front diving southwards across the north sea, that is introducing fresher air to east anglia and southeast england and ultimately will knock the temperatures down by a few degrees. this is how the weather looks at the moment, though. cloudy for northern scotland, still got some rain around at the moment but it will tend to ease over the coming hours. elsewhere it s a largely dry picture, a little bit of low cloud, a lot of mist and fog patch towards coastal areas of lincolnshire. but otherwise clear spells for at most and a fresher feel to the weather across some of these eastern areas of scotland and eastern areas of england, as the cooler air works in. for thursday, most of us will have sunshine from dawn till dusk, any low cloud and mist clearing away very quickly, and the rain also clearing from northern scotland and should brighten up in the northern isles
later in the day. a warmer day for most then. 23 degrees or so in edinburgh, probably about 23 or 2a for western counts of northern ireland. but cooler in london, instead of around 26 or 27 it has been over recent days, it will be about 22. still warm in the sunshine and more of the same to come on friday. most of us will have sunshine from dawn till dusk again with little in the way of cloud. highest temperatures always likely across more northern and western areas of the uk, 25 or so in the glasgow area. how is the weekend shaking up? the area of high pressure is still in charge, still keeping these atlantic weather fronts at bay, that means we have more of the same. that said, it will turn breezy for some of us but nevertheless, we do have more of that warm sunshine to come. temperatures in glasgow peeking around 2a celsius and it s going 23, 2a through the weekend and further south, we will see temperatures in the mid 20s. some of the warmest weather in cardiff, 27 on saturday. that is your weather.


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this is bbc news. the headlines: brazil has now recorded the second highest number of deaths from covid 19 of any country. president jair bolsonaro has consistently downplayed the severity of the crisis. some densely populated cities have begun lifting restrictions, even though many brazilians fear the worst of the epidemic is yet to come. there are growing fears in several countries of a possible second wave of covid 19 infections. beijing has shut down six wholesale food markets after new cases were reported for a second day running. india, which opened up this week, has seen record daily increases in cases. britain s central bank says that it is ready to take action to help the country s economy to recover after official figures showed that output shrank by a record 20% in april. the effect of the anti virus lockdown is already far bigger than that of the 2008 global financial crisis. you re up to date
with the headlines. now on bbc news, it s time for click. this week: going out without getting too close. dressing lara without going to the shops. and cheering on your team without going to the match. welcome, welcome, come on in. welcome to click. lara s here as well. welcome, how are you doing, my friend? i m good, thanks, although i had a bit of an incident filming and i m covered in glitter, so anyone with a good tv set may be able
to see that, and you will find out why later. but anyway, how are you, spencer? i am fine, thanks. this week, i ve been trying out some stuff that might help you if you are sat around the house using a phone or tablet or laptop more than usual. there is a lot of that going on at the moment, if you hadn t noticed. so, if you are using a phone or tablet and you are sick of holding it up all the time, i am trying this. it is called the slick pillow stand. it is a thick bit of rubber, and you slot your device in there, like that, and then you strap it around a pillow or cushion, so you can rest it on your lap like that. you can even pop it into bed, lie next to it and check your work emails late at night, if that s your thing. if you re using a laptop on a dining table or on your lap or in bed, you will know that that is terrible for your back or your neck. so i finally got around to getting myself one of these, it s an adjustable laptop stand,
plenty of them on the market. you can see that the legs adjust in all different ways so you can pop it on your lap, and you can adjust the height so the keyboard, screen and camera are at the right height. this comes with a usb powered fan to keep things cool, as well. and if you happen to be working from a really strange place, like your sofa, and you need a completely adjustable work surface, it turns out i have the perfect solution. it is called the ironin board, and i have it here. would you like to see it? yeah, i d love to! 0k, right, so ready? here we go, it s the ironin board. as you can see, it goes all the way up and all the way down. brilliant, perfect. it also comes with this thing, i don t know what it is, but the processor runs incredibly hot. well, you ve certainly been resourceful at home, but in the outside world, non essential retail is due to open next week, and spencer, i can t believe i m talking to you seriously right now. but would you really want to go clothes shopping? you know i hate clothes shopping at the best of times. yes, that is a very good point, and i think for most people, it s probably not going to be a priority right now. but of course, the economy is weeping, so are we going to get the high street back in fashion?
technology can t replace everything, but it s been doing a decentjob of filling the gap over the past months. go instore has been working with a number of shops, using live video streaming to show products. its live video chat allows customers to connect within saw staff over the web. in fact when currys pc world, a uk based technology retailer first began using it in april, it realised it could bring back some of its furloughed staff and allow them to work from home. but now they are starting to come back in store. a lot of the customers are loving this, especially, as i said earlier, people who are feeling vulnerable.
people who are homeschooling their kids, especially, they re all very grateful. and being able to speak to a person, rather than just browsing on the internet and looking for answers on 20 different websites, they can come down to the currys pc world website and click on the icon and get advice from the person either in store or from their home. an innovative remote solution, and it brings a new element to online shopping, especially for those who might be isolating longer. but, when it comes to clothes shopping, buying online does have limitations. over the years on click, we ve looked at some attempted solutions to getting the sizing right. i tried to get measured up by the zozo suit and some smart leggings, both connecting to smartphone apps to take readings. and spencer tried out some different looks in this smart mirror. but maybe now is the moment for some of these kinds of ideas. 0ne platform has taken things
to a whole new level making you, the customer, the model. ai powered app zeekit aims to give you a really true to life virtual experience of trying on clothes. now it does this by first of all photographing you, you do really have to follow the instructions. and that involved this rather embarrassing attire, a combination of shorts, a tank top and my best shoes. first i have put on heels in three months. otherwise the picture may not upload very well. i had some difficulty with pictures of my own that i thought would work. so once i got the picture uploaded, and i did feel i was dressed like a 16 year old, it is really quite incredible because it offered something that no store does. i m flicking through the catalogue and i am seeing every single outfit on me, so it means you can actually pick out the things that suit you, rather than just items that catch your eye. how does it do it?
its algorithm uses deep learning to scan the picture of the clothing, dividing it into 80,000 segments. it then does the same to the picture of the person, and from there can match up the twoto fit the clothes to any unique body shape. something that has always been a big problem for online retailers is the issue of so many returns. and right now, that can involve the quarantining of clothes, as well. plus, for the customer, do you really want to be spending a long time in a socially distanced post office queue? some of these outfits definitely look more ridiculous than others, of course there is only any point in any of this if what we are looking at here is actually true to life. so i need to order something to see if it looks the same in the flesh. i m going to go for this dress. it looks nice there, looks 0k. so i m now going to tap through to buy it. ok, the parcel is here.
let s do this. it doesn t feel great, admittedly. let s see how it looks. tada! ok, i am actually pretty amazed by how much this looks like the virtual image. let me just stand in the right position. so if we get a photo of that, put in a white background and match it up, then we can really see the true likeness, and i think that is quite astonishing. the only thing that i hadn t bargained for is that there s glitter absolutely everywhere. so i may have got a great idea in advance of how it s going to look, but it s not until you get your hands on something you can really tell the quality. although, in fairness to this, it is a £20 dress. the inspiration came actually from a very different world, from military lidar technologies we used to develop mapping technologies, so you could actually see how maps look on topographies like intelligence maps look on topographies,
and when we developed those technologies, we actually had a kind of eureka moment that actually the human body is a bit like a topography, and any clothing item s picture, we can look at it as if it was an intelligence map, and apply more or less the same technologies, and use that to solve the holy grail of online fashion. so, while many of us are starting to be able to go back to the high street, it seems coronavirus could have dramatically changed the way we shop long term. we think high streets will persist, but we are under no illusion that the number of retail units will probably decrease. so there s forecasts that said by 2025, we would lose 25% of retail stock. we think that might have been accelerated, and we re looking at a 1 2 year rise, instead of a five year one. so perhaps the new reality is that our ever improving online shopping experience is increasingly at odds with the idea of getting back to the buzzing high street. i tell you what, after years of trying these sorts of things that
claim to show you what clothes will look like on you, this one does seem to work. i mean, that virtual you in the dress really did look like real you in the real dress. yeah, i was actually pretty impressed. i tell you what, though, i am a real stickler for clothes being comfortable when they re on, and i don t think an app will be able to ever tell you that. true, i m not sure that it s my first priority although i don t want things to be too tight around the stomach because i want to be able to eat. but also the feel of the fabric, you do sometimes want to really touch it. yeah, absolutely, absolutely. so last week we talked about the next generation of the xbox video games console. playstation were due to launch the ps5 last week too, but they delayed. one week later, and marc cieslak has some information. after months of hype and feverish online speculation, the most popular video games console in the world, the playstation 4, is about to be replaced with, you guessed it, the playstation 5.
there s a lot of hype around this playstation event, because playstation‘s next generation console is so shrouded in mystery. it is the followup to one of the biggest selling consoles all time, and yet it s coming out at the end of this year, and we still don t know what it looks like or what games we re going to be able to play on it. sony has been able to sell 104 million playstation as, making it the second best selling console of all time beaten only by its older sibling, the playstation 2, with 150 million consoles shifted. so its next machine has big shoes to fill, but right now, gaming is having something of a moment. as a result of the covid i9 pandemic and lockdown, millions of people have found themselves at home looking for ways to entertain themselves. playing videogames is one of those ways. gaming has proved so popular that there has been a 48% increase in console sales. today s reveal for the playstation 5 differs from the usual noisy affair
attended by thousands of members of the press, becoming an online only event. finally allowing us to see the actual ps5 itself. a curvy console that will come in two flavours. a standard machine with an ultra hd blu ray drive, and a digital edition which lacks the drive. of course, sony showcased fan favourite games like spider man, this time around an expansion of the 2018 title, now starring miles morales. and we got a taste of racing game gran turismo 7, which now features a story mode, and more third person adventuring with mechanised animals in a far future usa in a new horizon title, forbidden west. the latest ratchet & clank game showed off the speed of the ps5‘s solid state drive, virtually eliminating load times, creating vast play areas that do away with programming tricks like ledges and narrow gaps that the player
must squeeze through. these are clever ways of allowing the console to load the next area without the player noticing. the ssd is so fast here, it does away with that programming sleight of hand. but surely there is more to this next generation then shiny visuals and load times. i think this next generation isn t just about better graphics, it is about your experience at a gamer. they re trying to remove some of the barriers between the point where you want to play a game on the point where you re playing the game. cutting down loading time, cutting down the time it takes for the game to download if you re going to do digitally, the time it takes for the updates to install. all of that is being torn away, so you have access to a game within seconds of wanting to play it. the console wars of old are set to continue, as the rival xbox series x machine is also
scheduled to launch this year as well. both machines will be backwards compatible, being able to play games designed for the previous generation hardware, the xbox one and ps4. but sony and microsoft have so far remained tightlipped about how much either of these consoles will cost, a factor which will become increasingly important in an uncertain economic environment. and, while gaming is popular right now, some people might choose to stick with the console they already have. consumers will be able to make up their own minds which machine they prefer when both consoles arrive towards the end of this year. hello and welcome to the week in tech. it was the week that a google maps added a new covid i9 alert feature in selected countries including the uk and us, to help people plan trips around restrictions. fastbrick robotics robot hadrian x was shown breaking its own speed record for laying bricks. up to 200 per hour. and aesthetics company nextmotion announced it is developing what it says is the world s first aesthetic injection robot to operate
independently to provide treatments. it was also the week that ibm announced it would no longer offer, develop or research general face recognition technology. in a letter to us congress the company said it firmly opposes use of any technology for mass surveillance of racial profiling. amazon then put a one year ban on the use of its recognition product by the police, and microsoft said it would not sell its facial recognition tech to the police until federal regulations were in place. remote doctor app babylon health acknowledged it suffered a data breach after after one of its users found they had access to dozens of video recordings of other patients‘ consultations. babylon said it has now fixed the issue and notified regulators. retailer gap has bought 73 warehouse robots to help with demand created by online orders. these sort picking robots can pick 335 pieces per hour. and finally this week, we saw a new cable driven robot that can be used to interact
with and track flying insects.

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crowds of protesters have gathered for a sixth day in cities across the united states following the killing by police of an african american man george floyd. curfews have been imposed in more than 20 cities to try to stop the violence. in the capital, activists have gathered outside the white house. there have been packed beaches at sun drenched british resorts as ministers announced an easing of the english lockdown starting later on monday. the government says they are reasonably confident the measures will be manageable . some gps have raised concerns about a second wave of infections. brazil has overtaken france as the country with the fourth highest death toll from coronavirus. nearly 29,000 people have died in south america s biggest country. there have been clashes between police and anti government protesters demanding the resignation or impeachment of the president over his handling of the pandemic. now on bbc news, hardtalk.
welcome to hardtalk. i am stephen sackur. in some countries, the coronavirus pandemic has enhanced unity and solidarity. in others, it has exposed deep fault lines. in india, it is the poor migrant workers who have been hardest hit by the crisis, which has also seen heightened tensions in the hindu majority and the muslim minority. my guest today is a general secretary of the ruling hindu nationalist bjp party, ram madhav. it is prime minister modi stoking intercommunal tensions even in this time of national emergency?
ram madhav in delhi, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. let us begin with the coronavirus situation in your country. 0fficials with the coronavirus situation in your country. officials in your government have proclaimed the success government have proclaimed the success of your lot down policy, have pointed to a relatively low number of deaths, but right now, we see the curve, the infection rate curve in india seems to be rising, and rising alarmingly. do you think your government has been complacent? we are 15% of the world s population. yet if you look at the rate of the affected people in india, it is very low and you are right, that the very rise in numbers very simply, but if you look at this period during the type of lockdown, the first four weeks, it was
strictly under control. as we relax the block down a little bit, there isa the block down a little bit, there is a little rise in the cases, but it is very much limited to a few areas and contained in that sense. that is what worries some of the scientists, epidemiologists in that country, that you are easing the down very significantly in large parts of the country while, to quote an epidemiologist at the university of michigan who watches india s case very closely, he said, we see no flattening of the india curve. so why is the lockdown that not ease the lockdown so significantly now? certain diameters are very much in place even now. there are re lacerations in some of the industries, they have been allowed to restart. but let me tell you
relaxation is. let me tell you, we did not have enough preparation in terms of healthcare facilities. but six to eight weeks down the line, we are fully prepared, i can tell you today we are ready 900,000 beds, we have hospitals ready, we are taking full precautions, we are quarantining people who are returning from destinations, we have not lapsed in precautions. perhaps the worst way anything at all about the worst way anything at all about the indian situation is the extent to which your sudden dramatic lockdown all those weeks ago forced millions of your poorest people, migrant workers in the big cities to head for home. the famous indian writer has written, the lock down works like a chemical experiment that suddenly illuminated many hidden things. the urban poor were driven out by employers and landlords, millions of impoverished
impoverished, thirsty, hungry people, including the old and young and sick, were forced to attempt a long walk home. they are now homes, the lucky ones who made it, and they are infecting other people in those parts of your country least able to deal with the pandemic. that is a pretty exaggerated statement i tell you. you see the lockdown that was announced on the 24th and 25th at midnight. the decision taken at the right time, the health scare of 1.3 billion indians. that is only held in managing the spread of the virus ina very in managing the spread of the virus in a very significant way. it is now restricted to a few pockets in the country, that was essentially because of the timely lockdown. now, migrant workers, let me give you
some information before we descend upon the impact of it. india has 120 million migrant workers. 0ut upon the impact of it. india has 120 million migrant workers. out of that, about 80 million work in other states tha n that, about 80 million work in other states than their home state. it is bigger than the entire population of the uk. 0ut bigger than the entire population of the uk. out of that, the majority of them i would say about 90% of them still have not undertaken this particular journey, still have not undertaken this particularjourney, but, yes, you are right, about 4 million, 5 million people have taken to the streets to get to the destination. how do you feel about the members of your own party, the ruling party, the bjp, who have specifically explicitly blamed muslims for spreading coronavirus? firstly, let me tell you in this fight against the virus, 1.3
me tell you in this fight against the virus,1.3 billion me tell you in this fight against the virus, 1.3 billion people of india are united and together. all the differences. know, that is clearly not true. you are not united. it is wrong. we do not endorse it, nor do we support that statement. what has happened to the local bjp leader who is known for his intemperate language who tweeted, and this is a quote, the people from the religious organisation who held a meeting in south delhi at the beginning of all this, these people, he says, have begun spitting on doctors and other health workers. it is clear that the aim of these people is to infect as many people as possible with coronavirus and kill them. he has referred to coronavirus terrorists, and he means muslims. yes, those
state m e nts and he means muslims. yes, those statements are wrong. we have cautioned or warned if they are indulging in any such statement. i would like to make one submission. sometimes some people talk about the bla key jamal, please don t sometimes some people talk about the blakey jamal, please don t take it they are talking about the entire muslim community. within the muslim community, there is a large sector of the people in india and elsewhere who don t approve of those in india. tablighi jamaat. who don t approve of those in india. tablighijamaat. i who don t approve of those in india. tablighi jamaat. i want to know what the bjp is doing. the communal violence that we have seen since the beginning of the coronavirus epidemic in your country, for example, to muslim civilians who volunteered to distribute food and
emergency aid in their communities, they were attacked by a gang of bjp activists on april the fourth. what have you done to punish those people who attract the volunteers, and also, to ensure it never happens ain? also, to ensure it never happens again? certainly, any such act of violence will be punished, and in what you are saying is true, certainly take action. but it me tell you for information, in india, 4 million were attacked, so many volu nta ry workers 4 million were attacked, so many voluntary workers were attacked, police officers, their arms were chopped off, things have happened during the lockdown. i am not talking in terms of which religion has done it. whoever does such things will be punished in india. we shall never approve of any such
activities. what do you say to a nalysts activities. what do you say to analysts who study your communal relations inside india very closely, like people who say the government has seized the opportunity of the lock down and the coronavirus crisis to go after muslim activists? totally baseless. as far as we are concerned, the government is concerned, the government is concerned in this fight we are together. you see the ratings of the prime minister by independent agencies above 90%, 90% is not a hindu population in india. that means everybody support the actions, the decisions that the government is taking because it is to help the entire population. in india we do not approve or do not see any communal kind of situation or any communal kind of situation or any communal conflict happening. you seem communal conflict happening. you seem to be living in a parallel universe and many indians, particular muslim indians. are you
not aware that just last particular muslim indians. are you not aware thatjust last month the bj p not aware thatjust last month the mpmp not aware thatjust last month the bjp mp swami said muslims, if they become anything like 30% of our population, will be a danger to the country. muslims, he said, are not in an equal category. this is the language of pure discrimination, and it is coming from senior figures language of pure discrimination, and it is coming from seniorfigures in your party. 0k, it is coming from seniorfigures in your party. ok, now it is coming from seniorfigures in your party. 0k, nowl have not directly seen that statement. i think that what you are saying is true, but you will be careful not to use this. having said that, we do not approve of any such sentiments, any such statements in the country, people who make the statement, but other parties and governments, we shall not approve of any such state m e nts shall not approve of any such statements targeted at any community oi’ statements targeted at any community orany statements targeted at any community or any religion. again, ijust wonder on what basis you are telling me all this stuff about harmony and
unity in india today. are you not aware of that fallout from your own government citizenship amendment act has included the office of the un high commissioner for human has included the office of the un high commissionerfor human rights calling that legislation, which causes fundamental to your government puzzlement programme, called it fundamentally discriminatory. called it fundamentally discriminatory. a lot of disinformation and lack of knowledge about that leading people to make all sorts ofjudgement. let me tell you fourth of all, number one, provoke the amendment act does not apply to a single indian. you know that? 1.3 billion indians, out of 200 million of that, it does in no way affect them. secondly and most importantly,. your way affect them. secondly and most importantly, . .. your message way affect them. secondly and most importantly,. your message does not discrimination. no, your message
to the world is quite clear that you make a distinct category for muslim people, in this case, it is a case of people who come from neighbouring state into india, you give the right to non muslims to a fast track citizenship, which you specifically and explicitly denied to muslims. yes, america has done to certain sections, vietnam, ifi yes, america has done to certain sections, vietnam, if i am not wrong, even spain has done to certain jewish people wrong, even spain has done to certainjewish people of wrong, even spain has done to certain jewish people of the wrong, even spain has done to certainjewish people of the second world war time, citizenship hasjust been fast tracked. nobody is denied citizenship in india. if one qualifies for example, i tell you, at least close to 15 pakistani citizens have acquired citizenship.
ido citizens have acquired citizenship. i do not want to misunderstand you all put words in your mouth, but when you start telling me about the way in which germany or austria treated the jewish. .. way in which germany or austria treated thejewish. i begin to wonder what you are driving at. for example, i was very struck yesterday that your prime minister, mr moody, paid fulsome tribute to one of the great ideologues, in mr modi puzzlement view of the hindu movement, which of course your previous organisation and your current part of the bjp is very much a part of. mr modi said that he showed extraordinary courage and leadership. we know in 1939, they expressed sympathy for what the germans were doing to thejewish and said that our muslims in india are very much like thejewish people of germany. there are many people around the world who find this sort of ideological connection and
background to the bjp and the rss to be deeply and profoundly disturbing. you have totally misunderstood that philosophy. he was for the greater unity of all the indian citizens with respect to all religion. that is the reason why even leaders such as gandhi also praised his vision for the nation. he was one leader who was given a 50 yearjail term by the british during colonial rule in india. he fought for independence. so he is one of the misunderstood leaders in india. so here s misunderstood because his sympathy for what the nazis were doing was 0k? no, he was not sympathetic to
nazis at all. that is a great misinformation that is spread about him. forgive me, but it is notjust critics outside the country that are deeply disturbed by some of the ideology they hear from the rss and the bjp. here is mahatma gandhi s great grandson. he said the bjp and the rss right wing groupings have polarised indian society and presents a grave danger. the danger is that in ten years time this country won t be india anymore it will be a fascist dictatorship. those are the words of mr gandhi s great grandson today. those are the words of mr gandhi s great-grandson today. that would be his personal opinion. mahatma gandhi himself attended a rss rally. he created the discipline of the rss. he said, the work i am doing for the uplift of the country, the rss is
doing it is removing this from society. i fully appreciate that it is not what mahatma gandhi himself said. his grandson, some of them are in our party, for your information, so in our party, for your information, so don t go by one statement. there are different views. india is a democracy with totally different views. that is their personal views. 0n views. that is their personal views. on another point, one more quote from you from mss golwalkar, another senior leader from from you from mss golwalkar, another senior leaderfrom your organisation. he wrote admiringly about what the nazis were doing in 1939. he said, quote, to keep up the purity of its recent culture, germany shocked the world by purging the country of the dues. it was national pride at its highest, said mr golwalkar. that book was disowned
by mr golwalkar immediately. secondly, he already said it was shocking i don t know how shocking becomes praise. he said it was shocking to see this kind of behaviour in the name of nationalism. the rss has never, ever approved of nazis or fascists. although supremacist ideology. they have always sided with the persecuted jewish people. even to this day we believe the persecution happened against the jewish people and was one of the worst crimes of the 20th century. one more thought on this, and then i want to move on. if you are so sure there is not racism, deep discrimination and communal hate at the heart of your party and movement s ideology, how do you react when your own home minister, amit shah, describes migrants from muslim majority bangladesh living in india as,
quote, termites who will be thrown into the bay of bengal. it is the classic technique of othering and dehumanising those who regard as second class. how do you react to it yourself? that statement was taken out of context. what was the right context? hang on, you tell me, what is the right context for calling a human being a termite? please tell me, how can illegal migrants be persecuted on account of religion by definition? they are not welcome in india, and we are taking certain measures, but that is taken out of context, which is not correct. you think it is justified to call albeit an illegal migrants, a muslim, a termite, and insect? in the context, a termite, all these words are taken
com pletely a termite, all these words are taken completely out of context that s what i am saying. what we tried to do was to regulate the flow into india. it is done by every country, not just india. it is done by every country, notjust india. india. it is done by every country, not just india. every india. it is done by every country, notjust india. every country that suffers from illegal migrants, that is essentially what we are doing. not ina is essentially what we are doing. not in a humanitarian spirit or anything. we have humanitarian sentiments about every person to save their people and livelihoods from illegal immigrants.” save their people and livelihoods from illegal immigrants. i want to briefly, if i may, before we finished touch on kashmir. last august you revoked article 370 from the constitution, the special status for kashmir. you sent thousands and thousands of troops into the territory and arrested a large number of kashmiri political leaders. we interviewed shah faisal
in india, not kashmir. he spoke to us, i believe, from delhi. he was arrested hours after talking to us. he is still in detention today. this month his detention has been extended. he is a so called moderate leader, a civilian politician, a kashmiri who is proud to be kashmiri. why on earth is he in detention today? many people have been detained immediately after the important decision that we took on the fifth of august to nullify the impact of article 370. now, most of them have been sent free. mr faisal and a few others, four or five of them, are still held under the public safety act, but i tell you, these are measures taken based on best information. but they will be
set free very soon. hundreds have been set free. they are all set free no. and mr been set free. they are all set free no. and mer been set free. they are all set free no. and mr mr faisal. there is no. there is nojustification for it, really, is they are, mr madhav? north for the continued control of the internet, 4g services severely restricted, when doctors in kashmir say they need the greatest access possible to the internet and public and health information on the internet to deal with the coronavirus crisis. what kind of humanitarians are you in the indian government that won t even allow doctors to use the in kashmir? you should check the reality before accusing us of being inhuman and all that. doctors in our medical centres, we have broadband services fully available. they are fully working in all public institutions.
it is only on hand held mobile devices that 4g is not available. so calling it inhuman is far fetched. you should not do that. having said that, the kashmiri healthcare establishment is doing a phenomenal job. they are taking care of the covid 19 patients effectively. they have all services available. broadband is fully available in every public institution in kashmir. and full service will be restored very soon. and full service will be restored very soon. right now because of coronavirus your economy is facing contraction this year, you have rising tensions on your border, not just with pakistan but also now with china, where you have got a military stand off in ladak with chinese forces on the disputed border. suddenly the bjp s programme for india is running into serious
trouble. would you agree? the economy is a global challenge. as far as economy is a global challenge. as faras india is economy is a global challenge. as far as india is concerned, we have allotted plans and we have decisions to make. hopefully in two or three quarters time we will come back to a better gdp growth rate. having said that, other issues, like the issues happening on the borders, are clearly not finished, and the government is aware of these matters. let me tell you, in the past we have had problems on the indo tibetan border with china, and we have relationships to tackle them. diplomatically and through the ground, we have taken a firm stance, but we are practically engaged with the chinese leadership. mr madhav, we must and they are, but i thank you forjoining me from delhi. thank
you. my pleasure. hello again. sunday was another very warm day nationwide, and capping off a very sunny weekend was a beautiful sunset to end the day in the herefordshire area. the top temperature was 28 degrees in porthmadog, making it wales s hottest day of the year so far, and only three tenths from the highest temperature we ve seen in the uk this year. at the moment we ve got clear, starry skies out and about. a few mist and fog patches possible later on across coastal parts of scotland and north east england, but probably not too many of these. temperatures first thing,
eight to 13 degrees in towns and cities and cooler than that in the countryside first thing, but what you will notice early on monday is we ve got plenty of sunshine. into the afternoon, a bit of fair weather cloud popping up into the sky, so some sunny spells, the cloud not spoiling the sunshine at all, really, and another day when we will see the temperatures climbing widely into the low to mid 20s, probably peaking at around 27 celsius in some western areas. so more very warm and sunny weather on the way for monday. looking at the weather charts for tuesday now, we have something of a change on the way. that change, as this cold front approaches northern scotland, bringing some thicker cloud here, and yes, outbreaks of rain on the way. i know some of you have wanted rain for a while. that rain will be accompanied by cool northerly winds, so temperatures for northern scotland significantly lower on tuesday with highs of 13 in stornoway. for northern ireland, southern scotland, england and wales, this is the last
of the very warm days and plenty of sunshine again with temperatures widely low to mid 20s, but into the middle part of the week, it set to turn much cooler, and there is the prospect of seeing some rain. on wednesday, we ve got a trough crossing the uk, bringing a mixture of rain and showers. as that moves through, the northerly winds that follow will be dragging on some much cooler air as we enter the week, so temperatures progressively will be dropping. many areas will see outbreaks of rain. closest to that area of low pressure the rain will be heaviest across parts of northern scotland, maybe northern ireland too. the amount of rain we see further south will vary from place to place but most places will see some rain towards the end of the week.


this is bbc news with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. i m aaron safir. protests against police brutality continue right across the us following the killing of an unarmed black man a week ago. curfews have been imposed in more than 20 cities. in the capital activists gather outside the white house, calling for justice for all the victims of police attacks. this is the situation in new york, where protesters are making their way through lower manhattan towards times square. packed beaches at sunny british resorts. ministers announce an easing of the english lockdown, starting on monday. brazil overtakes france as the country with the fourth highest death toll from coronavirus.

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the love that appreciate the love that everybody in here and the state of minneapolis, y all adapted my brother and showed him so much love and we feel that love in your city and we feel that love in your city and thankfully. hello you are watching outside source for bbc news reviewers in the uk and around the world. this is the memorialfor george floyd which is currently under way in minneapolis. george floyd whose death in police custody has triggered a wave of protests gci’oss has triggered a wave of protests across america and the world. let s listen in to george fowey‘s younger brother rodney floyd is speaking now. you make the best grilled cheese. can you please make it for me. if i tell you all as a six or seven year old kid i did that numerous times. you alljust using me. but you know, ijust happen to be doing it. but my big brother i
mean, great guy, great gentleman, great man and as a child without no father figure he was a big great man and as a child without no fatherfigure he was a big brother. but i didn t see the stuff he was doing the best he can, and the m ista kes doing the best he can, and the mistakes he made and watching him, followed him corrected my sense is a grown man vels up as a followed him corrected my sense is a grown man vels up as a teenager growing up. learning from him how to bea man, growing up. learning from him how to be a man, everything he s taught us he was doing him but he was teaching us he was doing him but he was teaching us how to be a man because he was in the world already before us. he gave us the world already before us. he gave usa the world already before us. he gave us a lot of great lessons. and i mean, one thing about a man responsibility, he would stand up for his family and friends and i wa nt for his family and friends and i want you guys to know that he would stand up for want you guys to know that he would stand upforany want you guys to know that he would stand up for any injustice for everyone. can i please say his name? thank you.
applause applause. i m brandon williams. i m george s nephew. even though we happen to share the same middle name for some reason my mama wa nted middle name for some reason my mama wanted to name all of us after some of her siblings and coincidently i ended up with george. growing up i m a lot younger than him but my grandmother raised me and i have a fatherfigure. grandmother raised me and i have a father figure. we are hearing from a number of george floyd s family members. this is brandon well as his nephew. we ve heard from his youngest brother rodney and pa learners and also a cousin speaking at this memorial service most my colleague jane o brien is at this memorial service most my colleaguejane o brien is outside at the scene where many flowers are being laid. and paint reese next to george floyd. they are indeed. what i think is
remarkable about what we re hearing is that how george floyd is being fleshed out as a real person. a very ordinary person somebody who came from a large family, had a life, had people who loved him. and this i think gets to the essence of what i m hearing from people who are at this makeshift memorial. on the site where he died just around the corner there. they say that he could have been anyone. and that s what this is all about. this is about yet another african american man who has died at the hands of police in america. and thatis the hands of police in america. and that is why george floyd has become a symbol of not just that is why george floyd has become a symbol of notjust a tragedy here in minneapolis but a symbol of a global protest, a call and a cry that things have to change. and there is a real hope that because of there is a real hope that because of the global outcry they might now change in america. the three men who had just appeared in court, prosecuted for aiding and abetting the officer who is being charged
with murder. who is been in charge of kneeling on his neck, asphyxiating him while he was arresting him at this site. so, very poignant moments at this memorial service. a very formal service. while i m at a place where people are informally gathering to pay their respects to pay tribute to george floyd. to say his name and to bring this man back to life and hearts and minds. jane, this is one of the first advance to take place with the funeral, a private funeral eventually taking place in houston on the 9th ofjune. eventually taking place in houston on the 9th ofjune. that s right. it s extraordinary that george floyd will be remembered so widely across america. this is a city where he made his home. but he was born in north carolina and there will be a service there. his casket will be open, there will be a public viewing
of his body. and then his remains will travel to houston where he spent most of his life and where a lot of his family still live. it is they are that he will be buried. this is a memorial, a service, an outpouring that will last over the next several days. as people remember who george floyd was. and what his death now means for america. jane o brien outside the service. thank you so much. at the place where george floyd lost his life. let s go back to the memorial service now and listen in to the bishop walker now. because we all need one another. and you can tell this family always needed george. and so it s awfully difficult for them. the plea forjustice is simply
this, doctor martin luther king said he who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. he who accepts evil will to eight without protesting against it is really like cooperating with it. you know on that video what we saw was tortured. ivan jackson, what we that video what we saw was tortured. ivanjackson, what we saw that video what we saw was tortured. ivan jackson, what we saw on that video was inhumane. martin the third, we saw on that video was evil. and so america, we proclaim as
we memorialize george floyd do not co operate with evil. protest against evil! joined the young people in the streets protesting against the evil, the inhumane, the torture that they witnessed on that video! we cannot co operate with evil, we cannot co operate with injustice, we cannot co operate with torture! because george floyd deserved better than that. we all deserved better than that. we all deserve better than that. his family deserve better than that. his family deserve better than that. his family deserve better than that. his children deserve better than that. benjamin crump the attorney who is representing benjamin floyd s family who has been supporting the family and who has been calling for the
charges against all police officers to be in place those charges now having been put in place so speaking live now during this memorial service that is taking place in minneapolis. let s speak to our guest who is a respecter of sociology and of african american studies at yale university. thank you so much forjoining us in connecticut. we are feeling the pain very audibly from the family, of course talking about george floyd as an ordinary man. talking about the football that they used to play together. this really brings home the hurt that the floyd family is feeling. yes, i m very pleased to be here and very pleased to comment on the goings on. it very moving service so far. the individuals who
deprive george of his life we seek. professor anderson, when we are watching this what do you hope that we take away from these intense feelings that everybody is going through? i think one of the things thatis through? i think one of the things that is happening here is theirs in the world really is to get a glimpse of african american life. testimonials, stories the representatives that you see on your screen these are not always as available to people. they provide a basis for empathy, emotion, empathy. too often blacks and white pass like
ships in the night. and this is a way that people will at least be closed at least for a moment. is this a turning point do you think? well when would help. one would hope so. well when would help. one would hope so. it s a dire situation. this relationship black people and police, and the united states, many of us walk the streets in fear. and concerned about our safety. especially when were stopped by a policeman, pulled over driving. what can happen? professor, inc. you so much for your thoughts. we will come back to you shortly but ijust want to go back, take our viewers back to benjamin crump the attorney who is representing the family. so when
we fight for the george floyd s of the world but more importantly when we fight for the unknown george floyd s of the world, when we fight for the trade on martins of the world, when we fight for the parents clutches of the world, the michael brown s of the world, when we fight for the sterlings of the world, orlando castille, only from fight for the jamar clarks of the world, the era gardeners of the world, when we fight for the sandra blanche of the world, what we fight for our breach of the world. breanna taylor of the world, tasha mckinney of the world, stephan clarks of the world, when we fight for the least of these. what we are really doing is helping america live up to its creed. what we are really doing is helping america be the great beacon of hope and justice for all the
world to marvel. most importantly, brothers and sisters what we are doing is helping america be america for all americans. what we want ti is not to justice systems in america, one for black america and fun for white america, what we endeavour to achieve is equaljustice for the what we endeavour to achieve is equal justice for the united what we endeavour to achieve is equaljustice for the united states of america and george floyd is the moment that gives us the best opportunity i have seen in a long time. of reaching that high idea that the feeling that this country
was founded on. thank you so much. this is the plea forjustice. on behalf of the family, the children we will getjustice. we are committed. now i would introduce you toa man committed. now i would introduce you to a man who really needs no introduction, who will eulogize george floyd. here is a man who has fought for so many families there too many hashtags to remember. and when he gets the call he always answers the call. even when the cameras aren t around, even after the cameras are gone, ask eric gardeners family. ask stephan clarks family. ask any of these families the cameras have long gone but reverend al continues to answer the bell when our people call. he is a
leader that you see on tv commentating about our experiences but more importantly, he is a leader who has lived our experiences and because he has lived those experiences that s what makes him so effective in commentating on msnbc about our experiences. and he is going to talk about the experience of the terrible loss of somebody who should be with us today. and that is george floyd. please give a great round of applause for the reverend al sharpton. applause. thank you. i want us to not sit here
and act like we had a funeral on the schedule. george floyd should not be among the deceased. he did not die of common health conditions. he died of common health conditions. he died ofa of common health conditions. he died of a common american criminal justice malfunction. he died because of there, has not been the corrective behaviour that has taught this country that if you commit a
crime it does not matter whether you where blue jeans or a crime it does not matter whether you where bluejeans or a blue uniform, you must pay for the crime you commit. so it is not a normal funeral. it is not a normal circumstance. but it is too common and we need to deal with it. let me ask those of you who in the tradition of eulogies need a scriptural reference, go to ecclesiastics third chapter. first verse says to everything there is a time and a purpose and season under the heavens. and then leave it there. i saw somebody standing in front of a church the other day which had been boarded up as a result of violence. held the bible
in his hand, i ve been preaching since i was a little boy i never saw anyone hold the bible like that but i ll leave that alone. but since he held the bible, if he wanting us today, i would like him to open the bible. and i d like him to read ecclesiastes three. to every season there s a time and a purpose. and i think it is ourjob to let the world know when we see what is going on in the streets of this country and in europe around the world that you
need to know what time it is first of all, we cannot use bibles as a prop. and for those that have agendas that are not about justice, this family will not let you use george as a prop. if you want to get your stuff off don t use him. let us stand for what is right. because when i got the call from attorney crump and usually when he calls me it s not to find out how i m doing. it s usually
because something happened that he wa nts because something happened that he wants national action network and i to get involved. and he explained to me what was happening with this case. and i d already heard about it in the media. and immediately i said well, let me know what you want me to do. he said whatever you need to do. one of the things that i ve a lwa ys do. one of the things that i ve always had to deal with is critics would say, all al sharpton wants is publicity. but that s exactly what i want. because nobody calls me to keep a secret. people call me to blow up issues. that nobody else will deal with. i m the blow up man. and i don t apologise for that. because you get away too much with hiding things. talking about you all
putting closing the oven to have your clothes dried. well i did run in the third world but i grew up in the third ward in brownsville. we had roaches. i know kevin hart and some had roaches. i know kevin hart and some of the rich hollywood folks don t know what roaches are but we had roaches. ludacris and one thing i found about roaches is that if you keep the light off, if you are in the dark, a roach will pull up to your dinner table. and have a five course meal. so i learned that one of the ways to deal with roaches is if you cut the light on i could run them roaches and track him down. and
i ve spent all my life jason roaches all over this country. chasing. as soon as i talked to the family and got the details and heard that among george s last words was, i can t breathe. with a knee on his neck. i immediately thought about eric gardner, i did the eulogy at his funeral. and i called his mother andi his funeral. and i called his mother and i said, i know we are not going out because of the coronavirus. but this is so much like eric, if we could arrange some private way to go
to minneapolis, would you go? and she said raven al, i m already packing, let me know. tyler perry said, i ll get the families, the plane whatever you need. because this is wrong. robert smith said don t worry about the funeral costs. people across economic and racial lines started calling and getting in. and we flew out here her and i last thursday. when i stood at that spot, the reason it got to me is george floyd s story has been the story of black folks. because ever since for hundred one years ago the reason we since for hundred one years ago the reason we four hundred one the reason we reason we four hundred one the reason we could not be who we wanted and dreamed of being as you kept your knee on our neck. we were
smarter than the underfunded schools you put us in but you had your knee on our neck. we could run corporations and not hustle in the streets but you had your knee on our necks. we had creative skills, we could do whatever anybody else could do but we couldn t get your knee off our neck. what happened to floyd happens every day in this country and education, and health services and education, and health services and in every area of american life. it s time for us to stand up in george s name and say get your knee off our next! his neck.
applause. that s the problem no matter who you are. we thought maybe we had a complex ti, maybe it was us. we had a complex ti, maybe it was us. but even black steps will broke through. you your knee on that neck. michaeljordan won all of these championships. you taken for mass because you ve got to put a knee on our neck. white housewives would run home to see a black woman on tv name oprah winfrey and you messed with her. because you just can t take your knee off of our neck. man comes
out of a single parent home, educates himself and rises up and becomes the present delete my president of the united states. and you ask him for his birth certificate. because you can t take your knee off our neck. the reason why we are marching all over the world is we were like george. we couldn t breathe. not because there was something wrong with our lungs but you wouldn t take your knee off our neck. we don t want no favors. just get up off of us! and we can be and do whatever we can be! we will just take this moment to say goodbye to our viewers on pbs.
there have been protests all over the world. some have eluded and done other things. eluded. and none of us other things. eluded. and none of us in this family condones looting or violence. but the thing i want us to be real cognizant of is there is a difference between those calling for peace and those calling for quiet. some of you all don t want peace. you just want quiet. you just wa nt peace. you just want quiet. you just want us to shut up and settle into
silence. the overwhelming majority of the people march work breaking windows, they were trying to break barriers. they weren t trying to steal nothing, they were trying to get back the justice you stole from us. get back the justice you stole from us. those that broke the law should pay for whatever laws they broke. but show neck so should the for policemen that caused this funeral today. we don t have a problem denouncing violence, mr governor. we don t have a problem mr mayor, denouncing looting. but it seems like some in the criminaljustice system have a problem looking at a tape and knowing there is probable cause and it takes a long time for you to go and do what you see that you to go and do what you see that you need to do.
but i am one that is crump said, not been a lot involved in a lot we started around criminal justice. been a lot involved in a lot we started around criminaljustice. i did speeches and eulogies at most of the funerals that we ve had in the space in the last couple of decades. and lead the marches and did what we had to do. i look at martin luther, we went to jail together. fighting these fights. like his daddy went to jail before. but i m more hopeful today than ever. why? let me go back jackson always taught me stay on your text. go back to my text, ecclesiastics. there is a time and a season ecclesiastics. there is a time and a season and when i looked this time
and saw marches where in some cases young whites outnumbered the blacks marching, i know that there is to act it s a different time and a different season. when i looked and saw people in germany marching for george floyd, it s a different time and a different season. when they went in front of the parliament in london england and said, it s a different time. in a different season. different time. in a different season. i come to tell you america, this is the time of dealing with accountability and the criminal justice system! stephen, he has a goal, i went to march. i remember a young white lady
looked me right in the face and said nigbor go home. but when i was here last thursday and i was headed back to the airport, i stopped near the police station. and as i was talking toa police station. and as i was talking to a reporter a young white girl, she didn t look no older than 11 yea rs she didn t look no older than 11 years old, she tagged my suitjacket andi years old, she tagged my suitjacket and i looked around and i braced myself and she looked at me and said, nojustice no peace. there is a different time! it is a different season! and if my bible carrying guy in front of that church, if i got him to open up the bible, iwant church, if i got him to open up the bible, i want to remember something, i was late last october to an appointment because the time change.
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following riots over the killing of george floyd. a police officer sacked for his death has been charged with murder. clashes have also taken place between demonstrators and police in boston and atlanta. president trump has called on people to obey the law. brazil has reported nearly 27,000 cases of covid 19 in the past 2a hours a new daily record. it s now surpassed spain in the total number of virus deaths, with the fifth highest figure in the world. president jair bolsonaro says the spread of the virus is inevitable and the economy should be reopened immediately. the uk government has announced changes to the scheme that covers the wages of furloughed workers affected by the coronavirus lockdown businesses will have to start paying contributions, from august. wales‘ first minister has announced plans
for relaxing restrictions there. hywel griffith reports from cardiff. too fast or too slow? the journey out of lockdown can feel exhausting. from monday, louise and her family will be able to meet relatives here in pontypridd with no limit on the head count, but they can t travel more than five miles, so family in the midlands will have to wait. i think they re making changes according to people s behaviour. as we can see, people are getting lockdown fatigue and i think people are breaking the rules and being maybe irresponsible, so i think it kind of makes sense in a way to be pragmatic. the changes in wales are meant to depend on data rather than a set of dates. the number of new coronavirus cases has gone down, but the rate at which the virus is spreading hasn t. staying local and not sharing facilities with other people
we think remain sensible, precautionary steps when the r rate in wales is no better today than it was three weeks ago. shops have been told they may be able to reopen in three weeks, but some feel left in the dark. sian has several businesses here. she is anxious for pontypridd to recover after flooding earlier this year, but she s frustrated. i think the longer we are dragging ourfeet and we re not given any kind of clarity, it s going to harm. it s going to harm businesses, it s going to harm people s mental health. we are behind and it s causing issues. the welsh approach is unapologetically cautious. no plans have been announced for schools, as change comes one step at a time. hywel griffith, bbc news, pontypridd. now on bbc news our world. new york has been the epicentre of america s coronavirus outbreak, with nearly 30,000 deaths in the state so far. as the virus took hold in march, doctors and nurses
from across the us answered new york s call for help. this is the story of four of those on the frontline, told through their video diaries as the crisis unfolds. a warning this programme contains scenes some viewers may find may find distressing. new york city has been the global epicentre of coronavirus. the president said this is a war, i agree with that. this is a war. people have died here than in any other city in the world. there has been times when i have walked out of the er and said to myself, what in the er and said to myself, what in the world has just happened? the er and said to myself, what in the world hasjust happened? things got so bad that the governor of new york pleaded for help. got so bad that the governor of new york pleaded for helplj got so bad that the governor of new york pleaded for help. i am asking healthcare professionals across the country, please, come help us in new york now. this is the story of some
of the nurses who answered the call. and the besieged new york doctors fighting to stop their city being overwhelmed. i saw the row of ambulance stretches waiting to be triaged and empathy to myself, we re losing, we re losing. come here! come here. i come here! come here. lam christina ferguson and in a week, i will be heading out to new york to help in the bronx at one of their hospitals. i m travelling with a coworker of mine and having the skills, critical ca re mine and having the skills, critical care for me, er for him. we decided let s do it! this is the first time i have ever gone on an assignment such as this. it is a little bit different going into the epicentre ofa different going into the epicentre of a pandemic. this is one of my
suitcases. i was therefore september 11 so naturally it feels like i should go back. to be a part of this and to help out in any way i can stop i have seven bags, there is the insta pot. i was thinking about some of the things i was backing up. as a nurse, this is we went to school for. this is what we do. going to new york for the sole crisis is basically like that, it s like throwing yourself into this situation. you don t think twice about it, you re just going. situation. you don t think twice about it, you rejust going. here situation. you don t think twice about it, you re just going. here we are at our favourite lake, my daughter and i do a lot of out your staff, and it is something really going to miss. but i would like to ta ke going to miss. but i would like to take these moments to think about the things i can come back to. take these moments to think about the things i can come back tolj take these moments to think about the things i can come back to. i do have my trunk packed, all of the medical supplies that we were donated to, ready to hit the road.
so today has come, it is a five hour drive, and reality is sinking in that we are on our way. drive, and reality is sinking in that we are on our waylj drive, and reality is sinking in that we are on our way. i have my sleeping beauty and her best friend. i have some conflict about bringing her along but i don t want fear to steer me away from what i want to do and men who have had many conversations. we willjust take it one day at a time. some gorgeous views, it s kind of serene all of the same time knowing that once you get out of these mountains and into the city, there is no telling what is going to be waiting there for us. there is always some fear going into such a traumatic environment but the moment i walked into the er, it s go
time. 0n on march the 13th, new york city recorded its first covid i9 at f. i m not sure how big this can be. within a month, or had died from the virus than at 9/11. i never really ever imagined in my life i would see the density of human suffering stop we will never think about healthcare in the same way. new yorker doctor eric is working at an emergency covert hospital that has been set up on staten island. an emergency covert hospital that has been set up on staten islandlj go has been set up on staten island.” go to people that i don t remember the days of the week anymore, i don t remember how many days i ve been doing this. ijust count it like coronavirus day 67, or something. new york has been through a lot and this is certainly testing us a lot and this is certainly testing us to our limits. i think we are
well hopeful this is going to get better. it s been a marathon. we have been acting like it is a sprint. it s as if we were immediately post hurricane. except the problem is, it was like the hurricanejust the problem is, it was like the hurricane just came, hit the coast and then moved away. then we could start recovering. imagine a hurricane sitting over your city for 50 days. vacations have been deferred, birthdays have been deferred. we re doing is basically sleeping and coming work and dealing with the coronavirus. so, i have finally made it to my hotel room. a cute little kitchen. there is my famous insta pot. nancy isa there is my famous insta pot. nancy is a critical care nurse who will be working in the same hospital as doctor choi pena.
working in the same hospital as doctor choi-pena. i let my daughter this morning but i m sad to leave her but i know she is in good hands. here is the bathroom, this is where the action is. make up, hair, i don t know what. a shower. it looks kind of cosy to me and i think i m going to be very happy here over the next eight weeks. christina and derek will be working in the bronx. there is our hospital. the borrower with the highest death rate in new york. we came two days early to get a tour. a lot of sick people. they are coming in quick. that right there is exactly what you think it is. they are about to take a truck away from the hospital. by early april, the situation in new york is so april, the situation in new york is so bad that refrigerated trucks are being used as makeshift bogs, and mass graves dug to deal with the number of bodies.
so, it s the morning of my first shift. didn t really sleep very well last night. i m working a 12 hour shift today and tomorrow. so, i m just keeping my fingers crossed for the best. alrighty, wish me luck. this is my first shift and all day today we have been going through testing and honestly everywhere is just go time. we are doing the best we can. i heard the other day that if you can work in the bronx er, you can work anywhere. so, hopefully we get through these 13 weeks with my sanity intact. so wejust get through these 13 weeks with my sanity intact. so we just finished oui’ sanity intact. so we just finished our shift today, trying to decontaminate and disinfect everything. she is already taking off her shoes. laughs don t lose this now. we keep everything in a bag separate.
don t lose this now. we keep everything in a bag separatem don t lose this now. we keep everything in a bag separate. it is unlike anything i have ever seen before. to see so many critical patients coming in at one time. the ambulances were non stop. it seems like every two or three minutes, there was an amulet coming in. there are other cases where you know the situation is not going to end well. whenever i see it to this degree, it is almost as though death is sitting on some of these patient‘s soldiers whispering in their ears. there s been times when i walked out the door and said to myself, what in the world has just happened? time to get out of here. nancy has been assigned to work in want of her hospital s pop up intensive care units. so firstly. which have been created to do with the overflow of
covid 19 patients. created to do with the overflow of covid-19 patients. time to go back. no rest for the weary. with the pep-up no rest for the weary. with the pop up icus, the issue is the lack of access to equipment we need to ta ke of access to equipment we need to take care of the patients. the nurses are spending a good majority of their time running around hospital trying to find supplies. i think all of the nurses are doing the best that they can but it definitely stressful. it was busy, it was definitely an experience today. i got in there and they were so today. i got in there and they were so shortstaffed that they tried to give me four icu patients, which is kind of unheard of. usually two is the norm, three is a lot. but four, there was no way. so we will see how it goes. i am on for another 12 hour shifts tomorrow. i m just going to ta ke shifts tomorrow. i m just going to take some strength to get myself upstairs.
it has become all consuming. i m getting reminded by my family to ta ke getting reminded by my family to take small breaks, especially when i m my kids. when i m at home, there is almost like this guilt that i am not still there. there is much more fighting to do. there has been a lots of absentee fathering unfortunately. i got up early to put my son to bed last night and the thing he was sad about yesterday was that he doesn t get to see me, which breaks my heart. he s going to remember me not being that more than the pandemic and the virus and that hurts. it s definitely something that leans on me and affects me, and affects them. after i get my scrubs on and my compression socks, every nurse should wear compression socks. we are at high risk, the virus is everywhere. no matter how many times we wash our hands, honey times we sanitise, the risk is very high. i
have a scrub. right now, we have 40 people from our agency picking up the work for the nurses that are out sick. there are more of us working in the er right now than the regular employees. it is extremely busy, it isjust a employees. it is extremely busy, it is just a constant flow stop one after the other after the other. an ambulance brought in an elderly person, about 15 minutes, 20 minutes later, they were out in a body bag. they come in alert, and then it is mind blowing how fast theyjust go. after this is over and the healthcare workers don t get the therapy they need to process the stuff, i think the statistics are going to be high with suicide attempts. with healthcare workers, so attempts. with healthcare workers, so there is something we really have to watch out for. as somebody who works in psychology, i know that it isa works in psychology, i know that it
is a possibility. well, we just finished our first three days in a i’ow. finished our first three days in a row. i am wiped out, i am tired. you don t realise how much it takes, wearing all of this ppe. my head feels like it is £100 heavier on my neck. it has been a long night, it is after midnight, we have been here since noon and it is time to hit the road, decompress and. shower! shower. nancy hasjust finished a shift on a covid unit. where all of the patients are dependent on a ventilator. generally, just people that are in that unit are not likely to survive. since this whole virus situation started, there has only been two patients who have made it out of the unit and survived. that is very, very little. the age range was pretty great. there was a
patient there who was 26. which i thought was really eye opening because it just further thought was really eye opening because itjust further reiterates how the covid back virus affects everyone. but this young girl, she is still there and still fighting for her life and it is sad. home, sweet home! time to get these scrubs off. my feet are killing me! it has beena off. my feet are killing me! it has been a long day. pants, they are going to go into the basket. i think now people are exhausted and i think people just want respite. i think the nurses want to get back to what they were doing, you know, before this happened. with the units have been turned so upside down. but i think at this point people are just
ready to quit. quit the covid crisis, i mean, not theirjob. you know, as a nurse, we give all of our energy to others and keep none for ourselves. i think that is why we are always tired. across the city in the bronx, the virus is highlighting stark inequalities. you have the projects, lower income housing, a large immigrant population. we are seeing mostly impoverished individuals, you see the black latina community as well. these are essential workers, you know? they are bus drivers, theyjanitors, they are bus drivers, theyjanitors, they are those that deliver food, deliver mail. and so, while many people are able to quarantine themselves or they have the luxury of working at
home, essential workers don t have that opportunity. so it gives them an increased chance of being exposed to the virus. black and latina new yorkers are dying at twice the rate of white residents of the city. after developing symptoms of fatigue and a headache, christina has been sent home from the hospital.” and a headache, christina has been sent home from the hospital. i was crying. i was just more scared because i didn t want to be, like some of the patients that we ve seen, i mean, i get really, really sick. and today, she is going for a test. if it is positive ijust hope that i have built up some type of immunity. i m pretty nervous. i m hoping it s not but ijust feel like a truck hit me and my muscles hurt. any symptoms right now? just fatigue
and a headache still. and my stomach. tilt your head back. all the way back, as far as you can. i will! all right, you re all done. the way back, as far as you can. i will! all right, you re all donem ta kes 24 will! all right, you re all donem takes 24 hours to know the results so takes 24 hours to know the results so that is going to be really hard to sit and wait on the results. so if things for me get really bad, to where i have to go in the hospital, derek has graciously told me he will ta ke derek has graciously told me he will take care of chloe and the dog. if it gets really bad and i don t make it gets really bad and i don t make it out of the hospital, then chloe andi it out of the hospital, then chloe and i have had the discussions about, you know, where she would go and who she would go with. and who she would go withm christine attests positive she will
be one of the growing number of infected nurses. and some are becoming gravely ill. if christine attests positive. when i was training in brooklyn there was a nurse there who worked the night shift and she kind of hazardous reputation of being a battleaxe and obviously i grew to love her and knew that she had the biggest heart in the world. and i was told today bya in the world. and i was told today by a colleague that she is in critical care in the icu on a ventilator with coronavirus. and this is. symbolic of a lot of the banks and the hurt that happens with healthcare workers because we are not only watching patients die but you re also hearing about colleagues that are suffering and so, it feels like an attack on all fronts and it feels like it is a personal attack and a professional attack and it is ha rd and a professional attack and it is hard sometimes i think to see past that and to get through that because it is really acute stress and it
feels like it is unravelling a lot of our lives as healthcare workers. that is the most challenging part is that these patients are kind of a loa n that these patients are kind of a loan and the families are not able to be there. kind of loan. there was a gentleman that i was caring for and he was just was a gentleman that i was caring for and he wasjust not in a good way and i was holding his hand and i was like i am going to get some coffee and i will come back and i came back with a coffee and he was dead. yeah. he died. so, iwas gone maybe 15 minutes. and there was nobody with him. so it was sad. and i felt, to some extent, like i did a disservice because i was not there andl disservice because i was not there and i went to get coffee. so, um, i
hate that. um, i hate that more than anything. and then after that experience, you just flip back into nurse mode, you know? now you have tojust do what nurse mode, you know? now you have to just do what you have to do. well known er doctor here in to just do what you have to do. well known er doctor here in new york a battle to save the lives of so york a battle to save the lives of so many others. took her own life after weeks of treating patients with covid 19. she died in virginia sunday. when i heard about doctor breen, i wasn t surprised, it is tragic and in the same day we heard about an ems technician who also killed himself and ijust think it is the tip of the iceberg. the other day i was talking to a tech who was responsible for putting the bodies and the bags and he said that is all
idid, day and the bags and he said that is all i did, day after day. i would put a body in a bag, take it downstairs and then there was no room downstairs, they were just everywhere. that is when the trucks came. they would fill it up with 55 bodies and it would leave and then another truck would be right there and they would fill it up and he said it was horrible. i said you have to talk to somebody about it. it will never go away. the end of a really long and hard week. ijust finished the zoom memorial service for a colleague, doctor lorna breen. lorna was a former colleague and friend. and last sunday took her own life. you know, her family says that it was related to the stress of coronavirus and that really hurt. in addition, the head nurse but i think
i mentioned in one of my previous diaries passed away last week as well. a nurse manager that i know also passed away. and an intensivist downstate where i trained also passed away. so last week really, for me, was the worst week of this. it really did feel like a war. and any other event you would stop, you would be with people. tough week. i hope next week is a little bit better. by early may, hospitals are finally starting to see fewer admissions and fewer deaths. and new york is beginning to ease lockdown restrictions. it has been a crisis and a painful one. but we are coming out of the other side. christina s coronavirus test was negative but
she and her daughter chloe have returned to missouri.” she and her daughter chloe have returned to missouri. i will talk to you guys tomorrow. nancy is about to head back to marilyn. to see her daughter and mum head back to marilyn. to see her daughterand mum maryland. and derek is continuing in the bronx. daughterand mum maryland. and derek is continuing in the bronxm has been a great adventure, it is challenging, but the whole thing has been great. over challenging, but the whole thing has been great. 0ver100,000 people have died from coronavirus in the us since march. just under 30,000 of those are in new york state. it has survived what its governor called a war. now, it has to come to terms with how life has changed. we tickled the break in new york. the system was about to collapse. it
com pletely system was about to collapse. it completely disrupted normal in every sense of that word. there is no normal there is no longer that and we honestly will never be the same again. well, friday was a very warm day across the uk. in fact, the hot spot was scotland temperatures got up to 28 degrees. and saturday, in most parts of the uk, will be every bit as warm at least the low to mid 20s in most major towns and cities. it s been so reliable during the lockdown that the spring has ended up being the sunniest one on record, so this has been confirmed by the met office. now, high pressure is in charge of the weather across a large chunk of europe. it s centred across scandinavia and it s clearing the skies
across the uk, ireland, much of western and central europe. these are the 6am temperatures. a little fresh in parts of east anglia. maybe in the rural spots, temperatures could be around 6 degrees, but elsewhere, not quite as nippy. very quickly, the temperatures will rocket during the course of the morning and into the afternoon. let s take a closer look. so on friday, we had temperatures up to around about 28 in some parts of western scotland. probably not quite so hot on saturday more like the low to mid 20s. very warm there in glasgow, 24 celsius. we ll match that in liverpool, in birmingham, and probably the hot spot will be somewhere in the south of england temperatures will get up to around 25 degrees celsius. now, the sun will be very strong as well you can see high uv levels pretty much right across the country so take note if you re planning to enjoy that fine weather outdoors. saturday night s looking absolutely fine and then sunday, we do it all over again the winds are light, the skies are clear, the temperatures are going to rise. in fact, in one or two spots,
it could reach around 26 or 27 celsius, so a hot day on the way, especially across western parts of england on sunday. and over the next few days so this is including the weekend and into next week that warm plume of air from the southern climes continues to spread across the uk, as far north as scandinavia and even pushing to the arctic circle, so those temperatures are expected to, in fact, peak across the south of the uk come tuesday. we could see temperatures getting up to around 28 degrees celsius. but after that, a big change on the way. look at that back into the teens by the time we get to the weekend. in fact, next weekend, we re expecting colder air coming in from the north. that s it for me. bye.

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