Rules. that's what allows this to pass on a simple majority. they feel like they're there no. >> phil mattingly, keep us posted. thank you. let's talk about this further. joining us to discuss, lonnie chen for mitt romney's presidential campaign and former adviser to marco rubio's 2016 presidential campaign, and mr. roy, one of the no votes, he's now the director of the center for the tenth amendment action. lonnie, let me start with you. which side do you think is going to have to give in if this bill is going to get passed? >> you actually have some problems from both sides, some conservativ...