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about this again, nor has anyone ever offered any evidence of this and the fbi says this never happened but he talked about it on the house floor, anyway. governor perry is no louie gohmert, we should add there are ways to criticize the preside president's handling of immigration that do not involve terror babies or syrian sleepers to unleash a human flood so that so far mainly seems to be damaging this administration. joining us jorge ramos and back with us dana bash. let's bring in david gur ra gin. >> many saying he's certain to run in 2016. is that what is driving this? >> i talked to a lot of people close to governor perry. it's not what is driving him, this whole focus because it is a very real crisis in his state and he is the sit-in governor. however, it is a happy political
are being in this country. >> that's louie gohmert back in june of 2010 on the house floor, talking about terror babies. congressman gohmert had absolutely no facts to back that up because there are no facts to back it up. not then and not two months later, when he came on the program. >> you're going to keep me honest? you tell the world that you've got an fbi statement. you bring on a retired fbi former supervisor, and he says we were not aware of any credible report that this was going on? i brought it to the attention of america for this reason. it was -- i'm a former judge. i know it was here say coming from a day. >> scher brought to it my attention on an airplane, having flown together. and she brought that to my attention. that's why i was talking to the retired fbi agent about it. and so having talked to him, no, i didn't talk to them, because the point is when we did the
research, we found the whole existed. >> what research? can you tell us about the research? >> you're attacking the messenger, anderson, you're better than this. you used to be good. you used to find there was a problem and you would go after it. >> i used to be good. by the way, he has never talked about this again, nor has anyone ever offered any evidence of this. and the fbi says it never happened. but he talked about it on the house floor. anyway, governor perry we should say is no louie gohmert. we should add there are many ways to criticize the president's handling of immigration and the immigration mess that do not involve terror babies or syrian sleepers or presidential plots to unleash a human flood that so far only seems to be damaging this administration. now joining us jorge ramos, also back with us chief congressional superintendent dana bash and let's bring in senior political correspondent gergen.
and we are back. the congressman who gave us terror babies is standing alone to preserve lunacy. texas congressman louie gohmert gave his heartfelt floor speech wednesday about protecting a word he feels is very important to doing his job. >> the last vote we took today was to eliminate the word "lunatic" from our federal law, and i don't have a problem with "lunatic" being used in the federal law. and apparently i was the only one here on the floor that didn't have a problem with using the term "lunatic." >> louie gohmert was the only no vote on a bill to strike the word "lunatic" from federal
reasons there is so much passion around the issue. no one can just wave a magic wand and come up with an easy two sentence policy solution to the problem. this has elevated the debate. >>juan: you said that newt is a really smart guys i agree and he must have done this intentionally but i tell you, he may be aiming at the general election and trying to get hispanic votes but he has to win the republican primary and if you look at people like tea party activities they want no part of what they call and this goes back to what you said about catch phrase solution, they call, they talk about amnesty, talking about terror babies and herman cain talking about electrifying the fence, that is the atlanta has been appealing to the g.o.p. base during the primaries or at least during the debate. >>trace: karen? >> i agree he will be attacked on this but he is trying to make an important point and he was
and really how do you treat the children themselves? that's the question we want to ask today's "stream team." frank sherry is the founder and executive director of america's voice. jessica vaughn the senior policy analyst at the center for immigration stud ystudies. frank i want to talk about these kids. one texas lawmaker called these babies, quote, terror babies. is there a national security concern about these babies born on u.s. soil to illegal parents? >> no. this is a imagined threat made up by the far right if somehow people are going to be born here and come back and attack us. there's no evidence of this. the real question is, what do we do about the fact we have 11 mm-h million people here without papers, emily's parents are established, rooted in their communities. do we try to get rid of all of them or find them to meet
requirements and eventually become u.s. citizens? >> jessica, what do you think about these so-called terror babies as a lawmaker put it. is that the issue here? >> it already has been a problem. anwar al awlaki is a u.s. citizen simply because his parents were here on temporary visas, a long time ago and they took him back home and raised him abroad and he was radicalized abroad and now he uses his u.s. citizenship against us. it's very well known among national security circles that terrorist groups really value having people who have american citizenship within their ranks because they can travel freely between the united states and other countries without the scrutiny that we put on other visitors, you know, who need to get a visa. >> what about the children themselves? >> well, it is an issue because, you know, someone happens to be born here and is a u.s. citizen,
of people like me to make fun of you. at this point, you are making better fun of yourself. you down sized the shaming you industry. even beyond that, associated press profiled a piece of state legislation today that just cannot be true. a bill that is such a caricature of what you might suspect that it must be a joke. this is debbie riddle. you may remember her from the whole terror babies thing. regardless, debbie riddle is a member of state legislature in texas. she's a republican. she has introduced a law that would call for two years in prison, up to $10,000 in fines for anyone that intentionally, knowingly, recklessly hires an undocumented immigrant. her bill carves out one specific exemption, though. you don't get put in jail, you don't get the $10,000 in fines, you're okay, exempted from this draconian anti-hire immigrants law, you are exempted if the
like you mentioned, she was behind warning about terror babies, middle eastern women coming here, getting pregnant, having babies on u.s. soil and raising them as terrorists for the future. this is normal conversation and text. >> texas has giant republican majorities in the legislature. what are they working on, given they can really pass anything they want to? >> the state faces a $27 billion, b as in billion, dollar shortfall. so there's enormous budget problems. what they're working on so far is a bill to force women that are having abortion to look at a sonogram. a resolution that empowers the legislature to demand that the u.s. congress pass the budget to some other bills dealing with sanctuary cities and nothing to do with anything that's really important. >> you know, i am fascinated by the distance between the branding of the republican
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