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Kat on this. i don't think it makes us safer. the constitutional sense is if it's designed to keep us safer and intended to have national security benefits which i think it does. >> kat: fulfilling a campaign promise. he wants to be tough on terror guy. i wasn't making a judgment. i'm just saying that's what i think this is more about. >> eric: we don't know that either. let me be -- maybe it does make us safer. maybe they take the 90 days and say there is a loophole we didn't realize that's been here and guess what. we are going to close the loophole and keep terrorists out. i am for going ov...

Actually did because now we're going to be putting all that information out to the terrorists and the rest of the world, telling everyone what the united states is trying to do to combat terrorism? >> brian: the damage is done. there is a column in the washington beacon and he's got great source. he's a terror guy and go to guy. he says the prism created an uproar within al-qaeda. they've shifted communications. the jihaddists have to more secure areas. when it comes to microsoft, that's key for our success. they're telling all their guys to get out of microsoft immediately. leave windows behi...

Understandable that you could give an answer you could wiggle out of. >> megyn: let me ask you about this a.p. thing. you are tough on terror guy. a lot of the republicans defended these leak probes, although there were far fewer under president bush. leaking national security information that is going to endangering the lives of the american public. >> i was one of the biggest complainers during the bush years they did nothing about this. i applaud the obama administration for being concerned about national security leaks. i fault them for closing national security leaks they do the days not ...

Steve says maybe bin laden was planning it. boy, in that case he really is a devious son of a gun. >> bret: charles, what happens now? relations, pressure. what is next? >> look, i think we have to be a grown-up about this. i think it's very of course and i'm sadden that steve is so soft on pakistan. brennan who said inconceivable that there were not elements in the military or isi who didn't know this. accept it as a given. accept that we have often had allies in wars unreliable. after world war ii, stalin was our ally and we didn't tell him everything for obvious reasons. let's look ahead an...

Jihadists that the muslim community has got to bear some responsibility across the board. here, we are dealing with one guy. and, you see this sympathy well, he couldn't pay his mortgage and he lost his way and the guy was. this what do you think is going on here? >> well, bill, i think you are misreading it a little. and i will plightfully -- politely disagree with you. i don't think they are excusing what he has done and i don't think they are softening the blow. everyone knows this is a bad guy i think what's really miss serious about him why is it he was an immigrant living the american dr...